V8 guys bashing on the Evo
LOL this is classic! These idiots really need to take it to the track! These are the idiots who roll next to you on the freeway and run you through 4th and then when you stop they shift to 5th and go 140mph just so they can say they beat you haha...im sorry but mustangs are straightline cars and that is it! A solid rear will NEVER handle a corner worth a sh*t lol...They will never be a Z06 so they will never be able to compete on an Evo's level...The Evo and Z06 are a great American/Import battle that is very even ESPECIALLY on the road course...The Evo and GT500 on a road course is a complete joke...I smoked a modded GT500 at a road course track day a couple years ago when i was even still running on pump gas lol...and the driver had 10+ years of scca competition.racing...But im not bashing the mustang because they can obviously make insane power and go straightline racing very well...so basically they are good for dyno queens and drag strips lol
the operations manager at my work always calls my evo and all other imports ricers and talks **** about my wing.
but then i shut him up by reminding him that his 6.0L swaped silverado got destroyed by my other bosses sr20 240sx =) a cute and innocent little 20 yr old nissan
but then i shut him up by reminding him that his 6.0L swaped silverado got destroyed by my other bosses sr20 240sx =) a cute and innocent little 20 yr old nissan
Its amazing how unintelligent those people are talking about Evos. Like posted, they only look on what the Evos cant do rather then what they can do. Just a bunch of idiots with no knowledge of how to actually build a race car. I wish i lived out that way, i would be more then glad to bring the JUNK BOX out there!
Most of the other mustang owners I met last night were all pretty cool, and talked about how they would buy an Evo or wish they would have had the money to get one.
It is funny that they guy in the yellow stang gets so pissed when he loses lol. They other guy in the Z06 was telling me that they both make identical power on the dyno and that he walks him every time.
Ah well just thought I would share the stupidity of some people with you guys.
Trash talking V8 guys for the most part is good fun street car vs. street car. Dragracing though, hmpffff...
No import _anywhere_ can touch Top fuel or funny cars.... they're V8's...
At a professional levels, cost is not the deciding factor on who ran lower numbers.
Saying one type of engine/car is superior is plain silly. Some cars are better starting platforms for making extreme racers, but anything can be made fast for the right amount of money.
It would be interesting to get a total of the number of 1,500HP+ imports vs 1,500HP+ domestics, I guarantee there's a miniscule amount of imports putting down numbers like that.
No import _anywhere_ can touch Top fuel or funny cars.... they're V8's...
At a professional levels, cost is not the deciding factor on who ran lower numbers.
Saying one type of engine/car is superior is plain silly. Some cars are better starting platforms for making extreme racers, but anything can be made fast for the right amount of money.
It would be interesting to get a total of the number of 1,500HP+ imports vs 1,500HP+ domestics, I guarantee there's a miniscule amount of imports putting down numbers like that.
Racism yes, but whatever.
Last edited by RaptorReed; Feb 3, 2012 at 02:28 PM.
That idea is fail. It'd make the f/r balance of the car even worse than it is, and you'd lose the AWD, or basically everything that makes it what it is. Also, it's been done (to a lesser extent, LS1) by an Arab guy.
There are some hard truths to vehicle performance. Physics is physics. Mainly, there is no replacement for displacement. That adage is true, no matter how you slice it. Sure, smaller engines make due with boost, VVT, higher rev's, more boost. But add those things to a larger engine, and guess what? More power.
In general, Japanese manufacturers' engines develop similar power levels to an equivalent Domestic competitor, and this is due mostly to them squeezing everything (efficiency) out of their engines, and us barely using the potential that the displacement advantage we have would allow.
That means that tuned vs. tuned, Domestic cars will almost always make more reliable useable power than an Import. And by this I mean equivalent money going where it needs to go to maximize performance. 10k into a LS7 will make more power than 10k into a 4G63.
Where Imports really shine is in chassis development. I WISH Domestic manufacturers would take notes. The Evo chassis is sooooo much stiffer and more responsive than almost any Domestic car built even now, that it makes me sad. I'd love to have a 2012 Camaro SS/Z28/ZL1 (I actually like the way they look), with the 6.2l engine they come with, bumped up to within an acceptable level of power per liter (80 at least), weights in at 3300lbs (less is obviously better, but 3300 is reasonable), and had a chassis set up like a GTR.
Basically, they make better balanced cars taking power, function, handling, and price all into account. We make engines with more potential. That sound far better.
Nothing like a 496cu/in engine with dual 4" exhaust at 7k rpm. Nothing.
There are some hard truths to vehicle performance. Physics is physics. Mainly, there is no replacement for displacement. That adage is true, no matter how you slice it. Sure, smaller engines make due with boost, VVT, higher rev's, more boost. But add those things to a larger engine, and guess what? More power.
In general, Japanese manufacturers' engines develop similar power levels to an equivalent Domestic competitor, and this is due mostly to them squeezing everything (efficiency) out of their engines, and us barely using the potential that the displacement advantage we have would allow.
That means that tuned vs. tuned, Domestic cars will almost always make more reliable useable power than an Import. And by this I mean equivalent money going where it needs to go to maximize performance. 10k into a LS7 will make more power than 10k into a 4G63.
Where Imports really shine is in chassis development. I WISH Domestic manufacturers would take notes. The Evo chassis is sooooo much stiffer and more responsive than almost any Domestic car built even now, that it makes me sad. I'd love to have a 2012 Camaro SS/Z28/ZL1 (I actually like the way they look), with the 6.2l engine they come with, bumped up to within an acceptable level of power per liter (80 at least), weights in at 3300lbs (less is obviously better, but 3300 is reasonable), and had a chassis set up like a GTR.
Basically, they make better balanced cars taking power, function, handling, and price all into account. We make engines with more potential. That sound far better.
Nothing like a 496cu/in engine with dual 4" exhaust at 7k rpm. Nothing.
I think you guys are missing the point...
piston to valve area... and then relating both to piston mass and valve mass (read RPM limitations) You're going to want to improve your piston to valve area... you do that by decreasing the stroke and adding cylinders.
A v10 the same displacement as a v8 would be better IMO...
For example... a 2.4L 4 cylinder, 2.4L v8, and a 2.4L v10 If you make the bore size the same on all the engines.... you've massively improved your piston to valve area by adding cylinders. There is a point of diminishing return due to increased friction... and then you have to factor in the specific power output of each engine (hp/lb)
The boosted mustang is a great example. You show me a 1500whp Mustang and I'll show you a car that relies on DOT slicks and traction control to make it down the freeway. For on highway "street" warriors... AWD high horsepower cars are the best option IMO.
that's the poor man's R-35 ( Evo), the poor mans UR lambo (R35), and then a UR Lambo.
There's one thing common of all three of these cars. Turbo & AWD prowess...
The Mustangs,z06's, and Camaros can do burnouts until 120, but until they're hooking it on the street I'll do my best to race every one that I come across. (and I'll get on the brakes before we go past 140!) lol.
How do you beat a liter bike? The same way you lose to a super high horsepower RWD car. Race them to 180.
piston to valve area... and then relating both to piston mass and valve mass (read RPM limitations) You're going to want to improve your piston to valve area... you do that by decreasing the stroke and adding cylinders.
A v10 the same displacement as a v8 would be better IMO...
For example... a 2.4L 4 cylinder, 2.4L v8, and a 2.4L v10 If you make the bore size the same on all the engines.... you've massively improved your piston to valve area by adding cylinders. There is a point of diminishing return due to increased friction... and then you have to factor in the specific power output of each engine (hp/lb)
The boosted mustang is a great example. You show me a 1500whp Mustang and I'll show you a car that relies on DOT slicks and traction control to make it down the freeway. For on highway "street" warriors... AWD high horsepower cars are the best option IMO.
that's the poor man's R-35 ( Evo), the poor mans UR lambo (R35), and then a UR Lambo.
There's one thing common of all three of these cars. Turbo & AWD prowess...
The Mustangs,z06's, and Camaros can do burnouts until 120, but until they're hooking it on the street I'll do my best to race every one that I come across. (and I'll get on the brakes before we go past 140!) lol.
How do you beat a liter bike? The same way you lose to a super high horsepower RWD car. Race them to 180.