-electric motors in front
-over 4k lb because no CF/Alloys (particularly ridiculous when you consider the current cars extensive use of Al)
-500hp
-evo "finished" when no one knows what it is yet / no one will buy it
-goal of Mitsu is to match GTR (it probably isn't, at all. notice all the MIEV racing lately?)
-height adjustable seats and navigation

Should I continue pointing out the assumptions you make? Or can we wait and see if the damn thing even gets out of the concept phase and see what we are really dealing with?

You should look above and re-read. What they ought to do is not the same as what I think they will do.

Also I never assumed 500HP, height adjustable seets (really? if you read my posts I clearly don't understand why people want this--are there a bunch of dwarfs Evo owners?) or Mitsu's goal of matching the GT-R. That's other people's delusions I'm arguing against, actually.

I'm with you on waiting, though. I'm open to whatever Mitsu engineers want to do but my expectations are not high at all, considering history and their economic situation.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't Nissan is a tough spot economically when they introduced the new GTRs?

Remember, that 291 hp was from a car that was designed when the Japanese "Gentleman's Agreement" was still in place. From what I've seen, it looks like they are going to keep the standard 4B11T in place (even nerfed, it should have close to the RA's power numbers), and they are adding the equivalent of 150-200 hp worth of electric motors to the platform. That puts it very close to 500 hp.

Or, you could stick with the theory that you just aren't very knowledgeable on these matters. The rebate is based on battery size. The Volt and Model S get the full rebate because of their battery size. The Prius doesn't qualify because its battery is too small (the Prius PHEV does qualify, but for a smaller rebate, by the way). The current information is that Mitsubishi is sizing the batteries to be ~ 12 kWh, which will qualify for most of the Federal rebate (~ $5,500). Additionally, individual states also offer rebates up to as much as $5,000.

Hey, if they want to bring 500 hp to the table that would be awesome, but like I said... IMO it makes zero sense for anyone to believe that this car would be anywhere near 500 hp. Does anyone have any idea how much that would cost? I mean really?? Mitsu is not going to go from 30-42k and then jump tens of thousands of dollars which would sell them very few. I would say the majority of Evo owners, or previous ones who would like to come back (such as myself) can't afford that. IF it did happen, they would only be shooting themselves in the foot.

Sorry man, I don't agree with you about the hp numbers and even though i'm broke at the moment, i'll even do a friendly bet with you for 20.00 that it doesn't happen.

If they have a 210hp engine, then around 150-200hp motors, That would put it in the 375hp-400hp range, which would be awesome IMO..

Something I just thought of... We all know how much Mitsu loves to honor their warranty on the Evos.. :lol: Could these electric motors cause even a bigger problem as far as warranty? For example, could Mitsu deny a warranty on the electric motor because of new wheels? Couldn't they say that the new wheels put more of a load on the electric motor since it is directly powering the wheel?

Anyway, with all the rumors out there, I'm just really looking forward to some kind of official press release, info, or something that can tell us what the powertrain will be and what it will look like.

Which part is news to you? That they are upscaling the XI? I'm not quite getting your question on that one.

Either way though, if I still owned an X, i'd hold onto it for the time being. Just in case this new one turns out to be a flop and people want their old ones back.

To compete with Ford, Chevy, etc, all upping their power outputs, it would have to be at least 350 hp, so 375 and MAYBE 400 I could see. 500 is just ridiculous for anyone to actually believe.

Except that you've owned the argument from ignorance theory so i wouldn't want to take that from you.

You're completely ignoring responding to the part where you claim a 500HP Evolution will be competing with a Track Edition GT-R or 997 Turbo S, which is not only ignorant to expect, it's absolutely insane.

Then you're grasping at straws with Federal subsidies but clearly you're aware that a $10,500 rebate on a japanese sport sedan is going to be quite difficult to get.

As if all that weren't enough, you don't seem to find an economic issue with $35k purchasing a brand new, $120k supercar-killer. This would be the most revolutionary advance in manufacturing and material costs, ever, unless Mitsubishi is willing to sell the cars at a massive loss.

Yep; sticking with the troll theory. Impossible that you believe all this garbage.

I think alot of you are hung up on the idea that this possible 500hp beast will be the next evo. That is not logical to me. The only way it makes sense is if Mits brings back the 3000gt or calls it something else, not evo. This car should really have its own thread or even forum.

Making a claim is very different than stating that it is a possibility. In terms of performance, electric vehicles are superior in every way to petrol vehicles with the exception of one area (the energy density of the fuel, which I'll grant mitigates many of the advantages). Better acceleration (power delivery) and better handling (lower center of gravity) are two of the principal areas were electric vehicles have a major advantage, and yes, a 500 hp, 4,000 lb PHEV EVO would out accelerate and out handle a 545 hp, 3,800 lb V6 GT-R Track Edition.

Yes, it's questionable whether Mitsubishi would be releasing a 500 hp PHEV EVO stateside (I acknowledged that earlier), and if they did, it might not hit the < $45,000 price point. The most likely scenario, in my opinion, is that they would release the 500 hp as an MR with a > $50,000 price point, and the GSR would be released at $40,000 to $45,000 with only 400 hp or so, which would make it at the very least competitive with a 2008 GT-R (a $40,000 buy according to you).

As far as the subsidies go, I'm not sure why I am "grasping at straws." The eligibility has nothing to do with who manufactures the vehicle but rather whether the vehicle meets the required criteria. A ~ $450 per kWh of battery capacity is what is currently being offered, and the current sizing for Mitsubishi's PHEVs is 12 kWh. Simple math, really. So a $40,000-$45,000 EVO would end up costing most buyers in the $30ks. A $45,000-$50,000 EVO would cost in the upper $30k to low $40k range. And again, a car that costs $50-$100 a month for daily driving/commutes versus your $40,000 used 2008 GT-R that gets what kind of gas mileage again?

And in terms of trollishness, I am the one providing facts and cogent points while you are throwing up straw men, red herrings, and red GT-R Track Editions. If you disagree with some of my predictions, that's fine, but stating (as if you were an authority) that easily referenced facts that I am providing are wrong is doing nothing but spreading misinformation. If my verbiage is unclear to the point that you are unable to discern the difference between the established facts that I am providing and my predictions about potential outcomes, I'm happy to delineate them for you.

I don't think you get what the claim about the new evo is. The exact same thing could have been said about the Nissan Skyline GTR and the Nissan GTR. I believe this is what Mitsubishi are doing. Not upgrading the current Evo, but developing a new model that has essences of models past.

What do you mean "I don't get the claim"? It's simple, they are claiming up to 500 hp. I'm telling you it's not going to happen. I don't care if they add electric motors or an acme rocket on the back. Mitsu has not done all that great with their sales for a while and adding a 500 hp Evo would cost at a minimum likely 65-70k. Sales would drop even more. Mitsu would have to add better paint, a MUCH better interior with MUCH MUCH better materials and all of that stuff adds up. If they do that, they will lose everything the car has been about and they will also wind up out of business.

Your earlier posts doubt that the evo will increase power by around 60%. Why not? As for the doubt around mitsubishis ability to add the required quality to produce such a vehicle, again why not? Nissan can. The only issue I would be worried about is the use of new technology (high performance hybrid) but given that the evo hasn't advanced greatly since 2007, I'm sure Mitsubishi have had plenty of time to get it right.