Originally Posted by PZ.eu
(Post 11314851)
well lancer got to 10 gens of products. Whilst Ford stopped with 1 gen of Cosworth Sierras and Escorts, and Cosworth is now a Subaru tuner..
As for non-production, nobody cares about something you can't buy, they can only dream. Personally, I'd rather buy a car with it's development and history in motorsports. I think that's why we all own an Evo. |
I'm pretty sure Ford has released Focuses in AWD format before.
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
(Post 11314940)
I'm pretty sure Ford has released Focuses in AWD format before.
Originally Posted by kaj
At least they have some experience to draw from much like Honda did with Formula 1, Mitsu/Ralliart, etc.
Personally, I'd rather buy a car with it's development and history in motorsports. I think that's why we all own an Evo. For all reasons above I am really sceptic on Focus AWD until the specification is released, because whats the point of having a car that costs millions to develop only to barely cross the profit line cause of vanity reasons. On the other hand Mitsubishi is being forced to make another Evo, in any way feasable cause of vanity reasons. TL;DR: if Focus is released it might be as cheaply made like Golf R or seriously made to compete with STi being a 40k+ car or discarded as a low volume seller due to being an expensive endevour cause of vanity reasons. |
Hmmm, I thought they had some AWD variant in Europe at some point.
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TL;DR: if Focus is released it might be as cheaply made like Golf R or seriously made to compete with STi being a 40k+ car or discarded as a low volume seller due to being an expensive endevour cause of vanity reasons. Anyway, here's to being hopeful! |
Originally Posted by kaj
(Post 11315017)
No way am I reading the rest of all that LOL.
Anyway, here's to being hopeful! |
Originally Posted by PZ.eu
(Post 11315053)
Yeah nobody reads my WoT anyway :lol:
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Originally Posted by PZ.eu
(Post 11315053)
Yeah nobody reads my WoT anyway :lol:
I read it, and I fear you're correct. Why did the Prospeed P2 never go to production? Market analysts (and telephone sanitizers :p). The most successful car GM ever made is the one the analysts told them NOT to make. But they made the Corvette, anyway, because one of the execs wanted one. Building by the numbers makes cars nobody wants. Remember the Chrysler K-car? The "one size fits all" machine that led to the first bail-out. If only car makers were smart enough to just build the cars *they'd* want to drive. (But then you'd need car companies run by gearheads, instead of accountants. ;)) |
There are more accountants in the world than gear heads. There is a market for dull car/appliances like the Camry. The problem for us is that there are more accountants in the world than gear heads, and the gear heads get drowned out by bean counters trying to eke out a penny per share more profit and thus don't want to make halo cars, low margin sports cars, or anything that might be fun. But there is a market for those cars, too.
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Look at diesel.... Bean counters swear Americans don't want it.
Then the Ram EcoDiesel sells out the entire allotment in 3 days. Now they are ramping up production to make more. Everyone is oh so surprised. Was it not obvious? They act like it was a big shock which tells me they really have no idea what truly motivates us to purchase vehicles. I bought both of my Evos knowing how much potential they have and how moddable they are. Mitsubishi however thinks I bought the car for 20 other reasons which I could care less about. They created a car that gearheads wanted by accident. I'd rather own a 2 door lightweight coupe any day of the week. I have little use for four doors. If only Mitsubishi would build something like that...... |
Clearly, a AWD Focus RS is a good thing, even if it falls short of some of our lofty expectations. Ford has been putting out some good cars and I think this one will be no exception.
Personally, I look forward to see the STI vs. RS comparisons that you know will be coming. The new STI is a pretty high benchmark, and if the RS falls short then it will likely be DOA. |
The Focus doesn't have to beat the STI, I just has to offer a legitimate option. If it's cheaper, or better looking, or has better factory support, or has a nicer interior, or has more power, or whatever, it'll do fine.
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sadly, i don't think anything can beat an sti, even if the other car is a better performance vehicle. evo 8/9 sales are proof of that. for the average awd turbo newb, the wrx/sti has an unexplainable attraction.
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Originally Posted by acidtonic
(Post 11316172)
Look at diesel.... Bean counters swear Americans don't want it.
Then the Ram EcoDiesel sells out the entire allotment in 3 days. Now they are ramping up production to make more. Everyone is oh so surprised. Was it not obvious? They act like it was a big shock which tells me they really have no idea what truly motivates us to purchase vehicles. I bought both of my Evos knowing how much potential they have and how moddable they are. Mitsubishi however thinks I bought the car for 20 other reasons which I could care less about. They created a car that gearheads wanted by accident. I'd rather own a 2 door lightweight coupe any day of the week. I have little use for four doors. If only Mitsubishi would build something like that...... The same can be seen in all the compact/subcompact imports that offer diesel powertrains everywhere but the US. Our diesel emissions are tough, but the car makers are convinced nobody wants diesel cars. Except you look at VW which sells a ton of diesel small cars despite the price premium. As far as the Evo, Mitsubishi (Japan) had a pretty good idea who they were making the car for. Mitsubishi USA doesn't have a ****ing clue about anything.
Originally Posted by nemsin
(Post 11316185)
Clearly, a AWD Focus RS is a good thing, even if it falls short of some of our lofty expectations. Ford has been putting out some good cars and I think this one will be no exception.
Personally, I look forward to see the STI vs. RS comparisons that you know will be coming. The new STI is a pretty high benchmark, and if the RS falls short then it will likely be DOA. |
Originally Posted by mrfred
(Post 11316214)
for the average awd turbo newb, the wrx/sti has an unexplainable attraction.
I'd buy a FWD RS before an STi. The current RS is awesome |
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