GSG it's good that you will be joining us

Pesto Hope to see you again and see your tarmac Evo

And in case anyone is interested I would go look at his thread. I scanned and posted the Automobile car of the year article

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...568#post594568

Actually this is a common misperception !

First of all - you really need to decide how much power you want and IF you are going to stay with the ease and functon of the stoc ecu platform or go wth the stand alone path

Its funny that the design man buddy of Pesto is posting on here above saying that reflashes are bad abd you should all get AEM's - thats comical for me - - its like saying that 17" wheels suck and you have to have 19" wheels and lower your nose to 1mm off the tarmac

Stand alones are good for certain applications - I have one - and they are also a major pain in the ass to refine and tune properly and THERE IS ALWAYS a trade off in driveability and feel over the stock based ecu


Anyone who is going to run under 450 whp is better off 100% with the stock based ecu platform - hands down

This is for numerous reasons - the stock ecu has millions of development in it and is a amazing machine which has amazing potential. Most stand alone systems will never yield the same driveability, feel and ease of operation. I dont care which stand alone you use you are going to have major time invested to tune it properly to idel, cold start and deal with changes in temps etc etc etc and it will never run as smoothly or as good as the stock ecu

Obviously cost wise - the stand alone option is going to cost you a heck of a lot more money and then you need to add sesnors, and other add ons which bring the price up over 2,000 just for the system - then you need to get it tuned and pay for dyno time etc

NOW lets say you want to use the stock ecu platform - the reflash is a great tool and I will explain why

First of all its a great foundation - like building a strong house - you need a good platform

The reflash gives you a better rev limit, better ign timing in high load cels, less fuel on the fuel maps, NO fuel cut etc etc etc - - so EVEN if you are adding a SAFC or emanage and tuning yourself with later mods you will always be better off doing it on a reflash over the stock ecu

You get reflashed - we adjust your ecu to match your individual car more or less - however your own particular car runs we have your VE table dialed in and it runs like a clock - better than stock every time - no hassels - no aggrivation - perfect every time

Then you want to add some other mods later - NO problem

In most cases NO additional tuning is required unless you are changing your intake

Use your head - when you add a turbo back exhaust on your stock ecu you dont ahve to retune it - right ?>?>???

To a certain extent the ecu can compensate for most mods through reading the extra air flow through the maf sensor

Always - you can still ADD a safc or emanange and tune your car just as you can on the stock ecu maps

Only difference is that with my Dyno Flash you have a much more agressive - performance orientated set of ign and fuel curves to build a foundation of performance

In every case you will be much better off with making only minor 2 - 3 % corrections on the maf signal with your SAFC after a reflash - compared to 15 - 17 % changes on a base maped ecu

Its irrational to think that having a reflash like ours is a "watse" of money if you add later modifications

The real and desireable benefits like rev limit change, fuel cut removal and better ign timing stay with your ecu - on a permanent basis

I've done over 200 Evos now without one customer asking for his / her money back on my money back guarantee and not one complaint

Here is an example of a pure SFAC tuned evo with cams and typical mods - stock turbo - - tuned by a professional tuner shop - - VS - a dyno flash on the same car

You can see my ign timing maps are a huge improvement on the power band

I don't think this guy wants his money back either !

if he ads other mods later on he can just fine tune it with the safc assuming he has a wideband o2 sensor and knows what he is doing

AL, i never said flashing the stock ecu is bad.

PLEASE SEE MY ORIGINAL POST.

I think if you get a few mods and then flash it - its great.
no hassle but what happens when u want more? or add more? then they gotta fly you down to Miami and retune and reflash.

Are you going to just charge them say 1-2 hours to retune? of course not....$600 again.

For some its fine. In my HUMBLE opinion, i just dont think it is worth it for me. Penny wise and pound foolish.

The reason i went with AEM and recommend it, is due to the fact there is no wiring envolved ...plug and play. Incase you didnt know it utilizes all the factory sensors and whatnot so with this route there is no additional costs and **** if you wanna go back to the dealership... replace with stock ecu and stock parts and youre done. {thumbup} Yea you have to pay for tuning and dyno time but that is only to be expected unless you learn it yourself which it allows. Actually the AEM even has a self learning capability to adjust for minor changes and conditions.

Before that i was thinking autronic but then you have to rewire etc...Motec...yea additional sensors...cutting into **** etc... no good for me (same thing you said) HENCE AEM.

Furthermore, i have never said ppl should get 19"s... lol or be so low from the ground. If i wasn't modding my car to be a show car with a little go i prob would have just stuck with some 18"s... but that's me, i dont think i even ever suggested anyone do the same as me. That is just you making a personal attack as we have come expect from you. PLEASE SEE MY ORIGINAL POST.
I dont recall making any personal attacks on you.

About the driveability etc etc with a stand alone... that's bs and you know it, its all in the tuners hand. If you get a good tuner and they know what they are doing. Yea it might take some time but they can get everything perfect. The whole point with a stand alone is total control.

Anyways, im not trying to knock you for making some loot, but these people in Miami Lancers are my friends and im looking out for them, just giving some friendly advice...that's all, no need to hijack this thread and have it closed as many threads in the past has.

WooBoos I think is gonna do the flash, and for him i think it will be very good since he already has most upgrades someone would normally do.

my $0.02
Thank you... please drive thru
Nick

You said reflashing is not a good move - now you ask what happens when you want more or ad more??? Like I said before you add a SAFC or emanage and fine tune just like you would do with a stock ecu - only differnce is you have a lot less adjustments to make and therefore a much lesser effect on ign timing - - OR

Send in the ecu to me by fed ex for a free reflash upgrade to your new mods

With the AEM you need to add a air intake sensor, 5 bar map sensor, wideband sesnor etc etc etc

How much $$ would it cost to have your "tuner" tune the AEM - and after its "tuned" is it really tuned or do you need to keep playing with it and adjusting igt again and again to dial in all the fine details?>?????

Owning a stand alone is NOT for everyone - - its not a do it and forget it type of mod

I am not competing with stand alones - its a differnt clinet

Again - Id' like to know how much they charge you to tune that aem and how often you have to go back to correct little bugs that cone up

BTW - i'd like to see your car and meet you while i am in town - are you having any meets this weekend >???

...sorry its too late to debate - i'm going to sleep... no point.
anyways we just had a meet as you would seen in the earlier threads. But yea, we can meet when you come down. It's not the fastest in the world *eh em* but im happy :-)

Im glad youre offering free flash upgrades... that's more appealing.

but one thought that comes in my head... dont you need the car to make the map? since each is unique etc etc as you have prev stated?

im just thinking if you change map remotely how efficient that would be....

either way, this is a good service to offer...how many times would u upgrade the reflash?....

*poof...im out*

This is actually a good idea. Do the South Florida Lancers want to get together and have a "Meet" during the Dyno tune time so we can meet Dynoflash? I know some of our people are getting a flash so we might as well make a day of it and we can get some more day pictures of the cars AND their owners. So chime in guys.

Al....I just want to make a few points

1. No one disagrees with your dynoflashes, it's a good product, works well many people are happy and since u do free upgrades thats pretty damn impressive
2. Dynoflashes and a stand-alone cant be compared two different animals for two different applications, if u want ultimate tunability and make the most HP..u go with a standalone...dynoflashes are for the 99.9999% of everyone who owns an evo who does some mods on it..
3. You have done over 200, thats great, but yes you did have one customer complaint...1 out of 200 isnt bad....and after reviewing it..Im sure you took care of it
4. My issues have never been with your reflashes, just your poor attitude. But again like I said before in many other posts on many other threads...half the fun of this message board comes from watching Al in a whirlwind of arguments and outrageous comments.
5. Those 19s are foshizzle the Grizzle....and without da bizzle how can you fizzle? Mah Nizzle!

I cannot wait to meet al...unfortunately im heading up to NY thursday and wont be back until tuesday or so...im sure he will be back at some time..take plenty of pics...so i feel like i didnt miss anything

I think its a good idea and as always I am up for it!!!! {thumbup} Good Morning Pesto!!!!! {noface}

:)
Please let's not turn this board into a discussion about Dynoflash. {bored}
Everyone has their own opinion and can make their own decision concerning this reflash.

I understand the need to be educated about what it does and that there are other options available. The information has been covered in other forums and I'm sure that if you have specific questions, Al will answer them.

Thanks :)