Mods and Owners
Mods and Owners
Mods and Owners,
I have no problem with the fact that my thread to support a good cause and charity was closed down.....if in fact there was an established rule in OT regarding solicitation for charities etc....however prior to posting the thread I did read over the EvoM rules of the OT section, being that I am a new member.
I read nothing about Charity Solicitation, etc. being prohibited. So I posted it.
I do have a very big problem with the fact that in the "what happened to my charity thread" a moderator (Germy) said, that if I had been a more established member, consideration to leave it up may have been taken.
That, in my opinion is bull****! Regardless of how new I am to your forum should have nothing to do with what I post or what thread I start, or whether or not it should remain open. If no rule in any particular section, OT or other, has been established regarding the topic in question, then in my opinion you or any other moderator has no right to close it down. Especially based on the fact that I am a new member!
This is what seems to have happened, please advise if I am mistaken.
I hate to say this, but you, not you personally, you actually took the time to PM, but EvoM in general has put a very sour taste in my mouth......
Please feel free to PM me or respond here to discuss further.
Sincerely,
-Adam
I have no problem with the fact that my thread to support a good cause and charity was closed down.....if in fact there was an established rule in OT regarding solicitation for charities etc....however prior to posting the thread I did read over the EvoM rules of the OT section, being that I am a new member.
I read nothing about Charity Solicitation, etc. being prohibited. So I posted it.
I do have a very big problem with the fact that in the "what happened to my charity thread" a moderator (Germy) said, that if I had been a more established member, consideration to leave it up may have been taken.
That, in my opinion is bull****! Regardless of how new I am to your forum should have nothing to do with what I post or what thread I start, or whether or not it should remain open. If no rule in any particular section, OT or other, has been established regarding the topic in question, then in my opinion you or any other moderator has no right to close it down. Especially based on the fact that I am a new member!
This is what seems to have happened, please advise if I am mistaken.
I hate to say this, but you, not you personally, you actually took the time to PM, but EvoM in general has put a very sour taste in my mouth......
Please feel free to PM me or respond here to discuss further.
Sincerely,
-Adam
You kind of have to look at both sides here. From our point of view, the fact is we have had a lot of scammers come through this site. Many of the scammers are new users with less then 10 posts. If your 1st post on this site is a post about sponsoring you or just asking for money in general from our members, that will raise red flags for us.
Basically what we mean by being a more established is by the taking the time be an active member on the site, which translates into being a known person in our community. Obviously the longer you are here, the more time we have to get to know you and can trust your intentions.
I'm sorry we have put sour taste in your mouth, but I feel like as a new user to our community, you should take the time to get know our site. Many will take you more seriously if you are truly interested in being part of our community versus just using us as a community to advertise the need for sponsoring for a charity event.
Basically what we mean by being a more established is by the taking the time be an active member on the site, which translates into being a known person in our community. Obviously the longer you are here, the more time we have to get to know you and can trust your intentions.
I'm sorry we have put sour taste in your mouth, but I feel like as a new user to our community, you should take the time to get know our site. Many will take you more seriously if you are truly interested in being part of our community versus just using us as a community to advertise the need for sponsoring for a charity event.
I understand what you are saying. Thank you for taking the time to respond to this.
I can assure you and the other mods that I am here because on my interest in the vehicle and learning and sharing knowledge as much as I am here to have fun and enjoy the other sections such as OT.
I just find it odd that the mods on EvoM would look at it from that perspective. I am not trying to rip anyone off, or scam anyone. If you look at the thread and the link, all money donated goes directly to March of Dimes and no into my hands.
Also please explain to me the post counts displayed. I have posted many comments to established threads, yet my count does not increase? Does the count only show threads started?
Thank you again for your time.
I can assure you and the other mods that I am here because on my interest in the vehicle and learning and sharing knowledge as much as I am here to have fun and enjoy the other sections such as OT.
I just find it odd that the mods on EvoM would look at it from that perspective. I am not trying to rip anyone off, or scam anyone. If you look at the thread and the link, all money donated goes directly to March of Dimes and no into my hands.
Also please explain to me the post counts displayed. I have posted many comments to established threads, yet my count does not increase? Does the count only show threads started?
Thank you again for your time.
The question of how established any user is to the site is something that we have to take into consideration when member to member transactions are taking place through EvolutionM. While it's not the most precise system, it's the most reasonable solution we have to determine contributing members (we do keep an eye out for non-contributing posts, and abusers are dealt with accordingly) and assure that, when buying or selling, reputable members are dealing with other reputable members. It's an imperfect system, but it has relieved a lot of stress since it has been instated.
The 50 post minimum in the Marketplace for example, gives the staff enough time to see evaluate new members, and also gives us a managable amount of posts to assure on topic post quality.
Hopefully this helps clarify a bit more for you, Suck, and ideally for other curious members as well.
The 50 post minimum in the Marketplace for example, gives the staff enough time to see evaluate new members, and also gives us a managable amount of posts to assure on topic post quality.
Hopefully this helps clarify a bit more for you, Suck, and ideally for other curious members as well.
hello mr bear, I see you got a croch rocket ^<
I am not privy to the issue that started this thread, but from I am reading here I completely agree with the descision the mods made.
Even looking at the fact that you provided links to supposedly reputable sites, the average computer user would not be able to distinguish a real link from a phishing sites link, creating a risk that the moderators are responsible for controlling. Rather than verify every link given on this site they have to make a judgement call on the big picture, and in your case the small picture due to your limited time on this site.
I would rather them delete your post then to have one member of this site be screwed one time. I have over 1000 on topics posts, and I would say there are a few members who somewhat trust me, but I doubt many people on evom would say they fully trust me. Look at how many posts hobie has. ^ He's a pretty popular fellah in off topic too. I am sure if either of us had started the thread we could have at least shown credibility. We just don't know you yet, that's all man.
I am not privy to the issue that started this thread, but from I am reading here I completely agree with the descision the mods made.
Even looking at the fact that you provided links to supposedly reputable sites, the average computer user would not be able to distinguish a real link from a phishing sites link, creating a risk that the moderators are responsible for controlling. Rather than verify every link given on this site they have to make a judgement call on the big picture, and in your case the small picture due to your limited time on this site.
I would rather them delete your post then to have one member of this site be screwed one time. I have over 1000 on topics posts, and I would say there are a few members who somewhat trust me, but I doubt many people on evom would say they fully trust me. Look at how many posts hobie has. ^ He's a pretty popular fellah in off topic too. I am sure if either of us had started the thread we could have at least shown credibility. We just don't know you yet, that's all man.
at myself. Maybe you weren't the ideal candidate for my example mr "27327 posts" Trending Topics
hello mr bear, I see you got a croch rocket ^<
I am not privy to the issue that started this thread, but from I am reading here I completely agree with the descision the mods made.
Even looking at the fact that you provided links to supposedly reputable sites, the average computer user would not be able to distinguish a real link from a phishing sites link, creating a risk that the moderators are responsible for controlling. Rather than verify every link given on this site they have to make a judgement call on the big picture, and in your case the small picture due to your limited time on this site.
I would rather them delete your post then to have one member of this site be screwed one time. I have over 1000 on topics posts, and I would say there are a few members who somewhat trust me, but I doubt many people on evom would say they fully trust me. Look at how many posts hobie has. ^ He's a pretty popular fellah in off topic too. I am sure if either of us had started the thread we could have at least shown credibility. We just don't know you yet, that's all man.
I am not privy to the issue that started this thread, but from I am reading here I completely agree with the descision the mods made.
Even looking at the fact that you provided links to supposedly reputable sites, the average computer user would not be able to distinguish a real link from a phishing sites link, creating a risk that the moderators are responsible for controlling. Rather than verify every link given on this site they have to make a judgement call on the big picture, and in your case the small picture due to your limited time on this site.
I would rather them delete your post then to have one member of this site be screwed one time. I have over 1000 on topics posts, and I would say there are a few members who somewhat trust me, but I doubt many people on evom would say they fully trust me. Look at how many posts hobie has. ^ He's a pretty popular fellah in off topic too. I am sure if either of us had started the thread we could have at least shown credibility. We just don't know you yet, that's all man.
It's just funny to me that people on here feel a certain trust from someone baised souly on their post count!
I understand why they did what they did. All I am saying is that if that's the way the owner and mods feel, then simply make it a ****ing rule for the OT section and the forum in general.
As stated, I did read the rules prior to posting it! Had a rule been established or put into place then I would not have done it.......
I'm goning to play devil's advocate for a moment and comment both sides of the situation.
Mods and owners, I agree with Suckface on the fact that sometimes the rules are vague and posts are deleted or moved for seemingly abritrary reasons. I feel that some rules do need to be reevaluated, especially in verbage, and possibly revised when a decision has been reached on a category of subject. In some cases, I feel as though decisions are not always equally applied.
On the flipside, I do agree with their decision to delete that thread not just against you but against anyone. It's a sad and unfortunate fact that there are a lot of scammers out there who go on to forums to simply spam ads to rip people off. It's happened a lot in for sale sections and it could easily happen under the guise of a charity. While your's may or may not have been legit (I didn't see the post or link in my defense), I feel that a rule should be established making the same post count minimum apply for being able to solicit for charities with a clause stating that users who post links to known fictitious and phishing sites be banned forever. The mods probably have such rule, but not one in writing that I'm aware of.
Mods and owners, I agree with Suckface on the fact that sometimes the rules are vague and posts are deleted or moved for seemingly abritrary reasons. I feel that some rules do need to be reevaluated, especially in verbage, and possibly revised when a decision has been reached on a category of subject. In some cases, I feel as though decisions are not always equally applied.
On the flipside, I do agree with their decision to delete that thread not just against you but against anyone. It's a sad and unfortunate fact that there are a lot of scammers out there who go on to forums to simply spam ads to rip people off. It's happened a lot in for sale sections and it could easily happen under the guise of a charity. While your's may or may not have been legit (I didn't see the post or link in my defense), I feel that a rule should be established making the same post count minimum apply for being able to solicit for charities with a clause stating that users who post links to known fictitious and phishing sites be banned forever. The mods probably have such rule, but not one in writing that I'm aware of.
The 50 post minimum in the Marketplace for example, gives the staff enough time to see evaluate new members, and also gives us a managable amount of posts to assure on topic post quality.
Hopefully this helps clarify a bit more for you, Suck, and ideally for other curious members as well.
I'll add more fuel to the fire, been almost here for a year and bought many things from members, that is why i joined EvoM. Unfortunately I am not allowed to post in certain threads (not having enough posts). I would like to post in the Sales threads but cannot do so. I didnt come here to read everyones opinions seeing evoM is 80% opinion based. I came here to buy aftermarket parts. Post counts should be down sized to perhaps 25 posts IMO
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Last edited by jrod0187; Mar 28, 2007 at 10:57 AM.
i guess the thing is that you have to really get to know peopel before you can really buy form them maybe... i think maybe we should have registered members that have all their information on file to sell sorta like ebay.. but ... that does require alot more money... but.. blah.. nvrm.. lol.. lets see where this all goes..
I'm goning to play devil's advocate for a moment and comment both sides of the situation.
Mods and owners, I agree with Suckface on the fact that sometimes the rules are vague and posts are deleted or moved for seemingly abritrary reasons. I feel that some rules do need to be reevaluated, especially in verbage, and possibly revised when a decision has been reached on a category of subject. In some cases, I feel as though decisions are not always equally applied.
On the flipside, I do agree with their decision to delete that thread not just against you but against anyone. It's a sad and unfortunate fact that there are a lot of scammers out there who go on to forums to simply spam ads to rip people off. It's happened a lot in for sale sections and it could easily happen under the guise of a charity. While your's may or may not have been legit (I didn't see the post or link in my defense), I feel that a rule should be established making the same post count minimum apply for being able to solicit for charities with a clause stating that users who post links to known fictitious and phishing sites be banned forever. The mods probably have such rule, but not one in writing that I'm aware of.
Mods and owners, I agree with Suckface on the fact that sometimes the rules are vague and posts are deleted or moved for seemingly abritrary reasons. I feel that some rules do need to be reevaluated, especially in verbage, and possibly revised when a decision has been reached on a category of subject. In some cases, I feel as though decisions are not always equally applied.
On the flipside, I do agree with their decision to delete that thread not just against you but against anyone. It's a sad and unfortunate fact that there are a lot of scammers out there who go on to forums to simply spam ads to rip people off. It's happened a lot in for sale sections and it could easily happen under the guise of a charity. While your's may or may not have been legit (I didn't see the post or link in my defense), I feel that a rule should be established making the same post count minimum apply for being able to solicit for charities with a clause stating that users who post links to known fictitious and phishing sites be banned forever. The mods probably have such rule, but not one in writing that I'm aware of.
As for being ripped off by someone considered a "safe" seller...**** happens. We can only do so much to predict and prevent deadbeat sellers and scammers. The system we have in place has drastically reduced problems, but (again) is not a perfect system. There IS no perfect system. The onus ultimately is on the buyers here, but we do what we can to try and minimize the potential for problems.