It just seems that the Mods of the Evolution boards have let the name calling go way too far, for way too long (mostly vendors)... and yet are closing down too many posts that the members want to participate in. Who's to say that everyone is tired of hearing reviews of one issue or another? If that were the case, no one would participate in them...

Since there is no forum without the readership... any non-mods want to comment on the issue?

Since this post is for the people who make up the board, I'd ask on the behalf of all, that the the Mods leave this post alone unless someone gets nasty...

 

I agree. once in a while I would post a thread about an update on something....somebody always say do a "search." When you do, do a search, it is usually a month old.

 

May I suggest that if you have issues with certain posts that you use the "Report this post to a moderator" feature.

Moving this to Site Feedback and Suggestions.

 

It's a tough situation. We try to delete name calling posts, but once they start, it's hard to get under control.

Closed threads are usually, the ones that are too far gone for us to clean in a reasonable amount of time.

I think RaX's suggestion of reporting the insult posts is the best method.

That will help us to respond faster than normal.

Mark

 

KK I have to say your mods are turning this board into a piece of ****. They lock threads delete select posts and let people post who they like. It seems that this is being run on who likes who. I have seen many times where Al attacks others and there is not **** that is done, but don't most of the mods here have FREE DynoFlashes? I guess you run it like a business you get free parts from vendors and make a little change and don't give a **** what the mods do as long as the cash is coming in. I hope someone else opens up a board and the vendors leave and then the "Easy Money" is gone. Also I tried to send you a message but you don't have that feature turned on. Like I said "You do it for the cash and free parts"

 

There's no need to attack me or the mods personally if there's something you don't like. You can express your opinions on how the site is run in a fair manner and then offer suggestions on how to improve it.

Complaining and insults alone accomplish nothing.

If I didn't care I would never visit. I try to visit every chance I get between work and after. I get heat for it all the time.

I hope you understand that their's bandwidth and hosting fees associated with this site. We're nearly over this current setup and I will probably have to run mutiple servers just to get to a reasonable level. That all costs money and it's fairly expensive.

If Al has attacked someone, you are free to report the post and we can let him know to stop.

To all the members... I know things aren't 100% perfect. I try as hard as I can to setup the site the way I think it will help members most. I appreciate all the help our current mods and members have given to keep this site up and running as smoothly as possible. I do not take full credit for where this site is and I want, desperately, to give back as much as I can to keep it growing and improving.

Mark

 

The attack was uncalled for and exactly what I didn't want in this thread. Esp when talking to those who "provide" these forums.

I guess my point is that Al, Shiv, and a few others seem to get away with "running their heads" while a simpleton posting up his experience with one of their products, and gets shut down before it really gets started (small bad example of someone posting how they liked Al's flash). I don't have anything against those vendors at all. Myself and others do get very tired of the "mouth" (and I see it being pretty damn equal from all sides these days) that has nothing to with what we are here for though.

 

Zeus, you've definitely see a problem and wish to address it vs. just attack and I greatly appreciate that. I also understand your frustration with having a thread that is for good come to an end due to a few bad seeds.

Let's see what we can up with. The back and forth between vendors is probably what's causing the most problems, so we'll have to try and stamp that out.

I just want everyone to realize that the mods aren't to blame. They spend lots of time reviewing posts and trying to keep things clean. Sometimes we just need to have a better method to solve the problem, which really comes from my end, I think.

Mark

 

If it's not too much, provide me with a few specific examples and I'll play detective tomorrow (if not tonight) and try to get to the bottom of things for you.

Again though, reporting posts/threads is the best way to call attention to problems and nip them in the bud before they become worthy of thread closing/trashing. If caught early enough, those options are rarely necessary. Unfortunately though it's very difficult to keep up with everything going on 15,000 vs, 20 and it does often help when someone draws attention to a particular problem/violation.

And (as is my usual schtick) if you have a problem with a moderator's judgement please try to work it out with that person. If that cannot be done, feel free to bring it to Paul (pjal84) or myself, and worst comes to worst it'll make its way up to Mark.

 

I think, specifically Zeus is talking about the 2 "I got a dynoflashed" threads that appeared today. I closed one...Nastea closed the other. It's not that they are inappropriate threads. It's just that they are inappropriate for a Tech forum. In hindsight, it may have been a better choice to move those threads to the Off-topic forum. But would that have garnered a better response from the Membership? possibly not. If we didn't move it or close it, we would have probably seen complaints that non tech threads are muddling up the integrity of that tech-only forum. As you can probably see, it's a catch 22 for us.

But, as you probably know, we as Mods just try to keep the peace the best way we know how. We try to keep knowledge consolidated into as few threads as possible. We try to keep the threads of a friendly nature. We try to delete or edit posts that are of an inflammatory tone. We try to warn those individuals who repeatedly break the simple rules of this site.

Most of the active Moderators on this board volunteer 20-30 hours a week of our time keeping this place relatively clean. We subject ourselves to getting yelled at via PM each day. We subject ourselves to possibly making enemies in the hobby with which we participate.

And we don't get one dollar to do it. We don't expect anything in return. We very rarely get anything free for doing this other than maybe a sticker or an odd small part. But we do this Mod job because we think this site rocks.

But all this being said, we are human and are not perfect. That is why we invite every member to hit the "report this thread to a moderator" button whenever they think something is amiss. That button emails EVERY Moderator and clues them in on your issue. That button, when used properly, usually garners a response within a few minutes to an hour.

 

Now that is spoken more like how a Moderator should, and not complaining about everyone "whining" on his "free time".

PS I'm the "old man" in the other post Chimp...

...as for the examples, click on any given thread that both Al and Shiv have posted on. I want to purchase Al's services when I find the turbo I'm looking for, but if I were running the boards, both of them might be gone by now do to the conduct they have shown in the open threads...

 

well as long as the mods don't go insane and start 'censoring' certain companies that offer products to are cars its ok....i mean i dont mind the vendors goin at each other...in the end its the dyno/reviews that make the sale...not who can call the other one names if u ask me.

on my old forum for my grandam, gmpowertalk.com the mods started censoring companies that they didn't like...AEDcentral is a company that makes grandam body kits...and cuz of that they censored out companies like Andys Auto Sports etc....its funny to see a thread liek "check out my new body kit from *****.com" and thats exactly how it was...i hated that, and as long as they don't start doing that to this forum im ok with it! I love this forum! its setup very nicely.

 

...As used as an example for why reviews of a certain product were closed in the tech forum, what "tech value" does two vendors "going at it" contribute?

Keep in mind I'm not angry, pissed, upset, or "on a mission". I just saw it as "parting hairs" when there was axe bludgeoning going on else where.

 

And you are exactly right Zeus. What does it contribute? Nothing. And we try to keep this site as free of that as possible.

Those threads usually start off as normal questions in the tech forum. They can turn into a flame war in less than 10 minutes. That progression sometimes happens too quickly for a Mod to catch when perusing through topics. So those topics usually end up closed. But if we could catch it earlier, like if a member saw a flame beginning and reported the thread, we might be able to get into the thread and correct things before it gets out of hand and gets closed.

So if you (you being anyone who reads this) see a flamewar or useless posting, report it to us.

R

 

All it takes is one reply to start a landslide of useless ones.

I personally think a lot of the inter-vendor and fan of shop 1 vs fan of shop 2 stuff has gone a bit far on several occasions. Competition is one thing....

That being said I think all our vendors (though I've recently noticed that I'm having a hard time keeping up with them) have something good to offer to the Lancer/Evolution community, and the vast majority (especially those who actively participate in the forums) do so not only to further their business, but also because of a genuine enthusiast mentality. I think we can contribute a good deal of clashing to different mentalities in these respects.

We do not wish to squelch any of our vendors, favor one over the other, or otherwise disciminate against them; they are all a valuable part of our community from the biggest to the smallest.