This is an issue that comes up rather often but doesn't seem to gain any traction, possibly because no one has any ideas or input of how to fix it. As with all the other people who have complained of this over the years, I too would have more than double the feedback I have presently. I attribute this due to the loosened marketplace rules over the years, as this did not used to be as common an issue in the 2004-07. I was stiffed of feedback far less that I am present day.

My recent issue in fact involves four sales I made over the last month and a half, with one of them to a member with a fairly high feedback rating who failed to leave me any. I'm a little miffed about that as it was for a part that cost a few hundred bucks. Out of all my recent sales, the only feed back I received was on a part I sold for $15 shipped. Whereas on a twin-plate clutch and stand alone ecu I get nothing. Frankly, this has got to stop.

Proposal: Modification to the classified infraction rules to include mandatory feedback provided to sellers within a set period of time of part arrival. Let's say 7 calendar days. The stipulation to this being that a buyer initiate the complaint with proof of delivery (tracking information). A further requirement would be that the buyer would have to initiate the complaint.
Propose that three verifiable complaints within a year result in loss of classifieds privileges and access for one year or assess a fine with six month parole. Repeat offense either during the "parole period" a second three complaint violation if after a year ban results in a mandatory fine of $100 to reinstate privileges. Clock resets after that.
Fines to go towards an annual charitable donation, site maintenance, mod beer fund, etc...

Mods thoughts on this?

 

I also submit the following clarification to my thinking on my site suggestion.

While it is good to get feedback from a seller, it is ever more important if not good form/manners for a buyer to submit feedback for a seller. In this age of enhancing our ability to weed out the decent sellers from "the trash", it's hard to build a reputation without the buyer submitting feedback.

 

Sorry but I lol so hard I almost fell off the thrown.

You do have a option which is dont sell anything else on here and post it on ebay. Can you imagine the headache for the mods.

 

I understand the reasons for wanting 100% feedback, however, I have no idea how it could be enforced. With the exception of a few threads where a buyer or seller discuss post sale questions, we do not know when a sale is completed or who the buyer or seller was in the deal. Thanks!

Bob

 

Thank you for your snide remark and lack of practical input.

While I realize I have other selling options available, it makes sense to sell Evo specific parts on an Evo specific forum. As it stands, the marketplace is by no means a right. It is a privilege and should be treated as such. Under that line of thought, I submitted my input.

 

I'm not really arguing for 100% feedback per se, but rather feedback for the seller from the buyer. If anything else, it is good form. As for discerning who the buyer and seller was, I don't fully follow how that is not discernible. Is this not done through the disputes thread on a regular basis?

Regardless, if the undertaking I'm suggesting is a bridge too far, would it be a fair trade off to allow for negative feedback to be left for buyers who do refuse to leave feedback?

 

Hi,

I understand you point. However, if the buyer or seller have no interest in feedback, we won't know know if a sale was completed. I am concerned with enforcement relative to moderators available time. We have quite a bit on our plate enforcing the sig and pic requirements in the marketplace.

You can Start a poll and ask the community if you like.

Bob

 

Dude... You have 27 positive feedback... I think, give a take a few more, that you pass the sniff test as a seller.

 

I just ask the seller or buyer for feedback, not sure I see a problem here.

 

There was practical input in what I said. The moderators here have too much to deal with already. It is hard enough to police the fs section and keep it legit without having to worry about if someone left feedback or not.

Sorry if you took offense to me thinking your request is funny but at least I said it nicer in writing than what I was really thinking.

 

I did take mild offense as your first response as it came across as "peanut gallery" in style. However, you argue a fair point now that you articulate the thought.

 

I'm flattered you think so.

I used to do that but have stopped as over the last couple of years they've been blown off. In a couple of cases, I received responses from my buyers that I would not get feedback unless I left some for them first. I was burned on that too. So I ask myself and others "what's a guy to do" in these situations.

As an older member yourself and Bob as well, you both recall that all one had to go on when judging a seller was their feedback, else you were otherwise taking a chance. Even with the implementation of the picture and signature rule, this still holds somewhat true. My thinking may be somewhat old school, but I find it extremely frustrating to have to pander for something which used to be a bit more obligatory under an unspoken/unwritten "gentlemen's agreement."

 

I have no issue starting a community poll on the subject. In which subforum do you feel it would be appropriate to do so?

In a fair question on the subject, do you feel it would be worth asking if there is a feeling that the notion of feedback is antiquated?

 

Well, I typically don't buy from a seller with a fairly new account and a low rating if I can't find them on other forums, etc.

In this case, I don't think you'll have that problem with most people on this site, since your account is old and you have a 20+ rating.

If you're worried about your risks as a buyer, that just comes down to common sense.



But, I don't think there is a good way to enforce this as Bob has stated. As with eBay, all you can do is harass the person you are waiting to receive feedback from and in the end if they don't leave you feedback there really isn't anything you can do.

 

I added the poll.

I'm in partial agreement with you. Most people would view me as a seller much as you have. Others may not especially if I'm selling something larger. Something else to consider, this is the only forum I use this particular screen name as I was not allowed to change it without having to start a new account.
I know I'm not the only one in this boat. So if you were to consider buying from me if my feedback rating was lower and or I was not as long standing of a member, you would not find any selling history from the other forums I frequent despite having a good history on them.