Petition to impeach google
Jun 2, 2004, 08:09 PM
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Petition to impeach google
Seeing that the moderator Google has become pretty ruthless and power hungry lately, I would like to see him off the Evom staff. Im sure others would like to see that as well. Here's an example of a thread he is controlling so personally:
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=82092
If any other members agree, please respond to this thread. Thanks.
- Kareem
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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...threadid=82092
If any other members agree, please respond to this thread. Thanks.
- Kareem
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Jun 2, 2004, 08:19 PM
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I think it's funny cuz when folks were complaining before about Mods abusing powers you preached to me about how hard a job you guys have etc.... now the shoe is on the other foot. SUX huh...
Jun 2, 2004, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BADEVO
I think it's funny cuz when folks were complaining before about Mods abusing powers you preached to me about how hard a job you guys have etc.... now the shoe is on the other foot. SUX huh...
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Jun 2, 2004, 08:32 PM
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Im sure there are, otherwise people would have no reason to hate him. Just that Im not involved in them. Also people are afraid to speak up against moderators. Being a member then a moderator then a member again, I see everything from both points of view. Moderators aren't the elite that rule over the community, they are simply peers that help keep everything peachy and clean. I trust that the supermods and the moderator of this forum will keep good watch over this thread.
Jun 2, 2004, 08:41 PM
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IMO...he's just trying to sound like a Ivy league professor n what not... lol who cares about the per capita blah blah income of florida.. and e-bay n walmart.. lol
p.s. kareem i gotta holla at you on some DIY car painting stuff... can i PM you... i just got my air brush and my air tank!
p.s. kareem i gotta holla at you on some DIY car painting stuff... can i PM you... i just got my air brush and my air tank!
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Jun 2, 2004, 09:01 PM
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I'm sure Google will chime in here soon to explain things.
As far as him abusing his power, I think that's a bit of an overstatement. Google's role as a mod in that forum is to control the threads and make sure they are not abused or taken way off-topic. That thread had gotten out of hand within the next 2 pages. Unfortunately, Google edited a user's thread to keep things on-topic and this sparked some issues. Hindsight 20/02, deleting the thread might have been a less intrusive action, but he may have had his reasons for editing at the time.
To help clarify things like this, I'll work on a clear set of private classifieds rules so everyone knows what we should and should not do. This should help clear things up for the members and make moderating a bit clearer.
If you're gonna blame anyone, then blame me for not having a clearer set of guidelines to follow.
Mark
As far as him abusing his power, I think that's a bit of an overstatement. Google's role as a mod in that forum is to control the threads and make sure they are not abused or taken way off-topic. That thread had gotten out of hand within the next 2 pages. Unfortunately, Google edited a user's thread to keep things on-topic and this sparked some issues. Hindsight 20/02, deleting the thread might have been a less intrusive action, but he may have had his reasons for editing at the time.
To help clarify things like this, I'll work on a clear set of private classifieds rules so everyone knows what we should and should not do. This should help clear things up for the members and make moderating a bit clearer.
If you're gonna blame anyone, then blame me for not having a clearer set of guidelines to follow.
Mark
Jun 2, 2004, 09:05 PM
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I'd have to agree with you on the editing. It really wasn't necessary. But, other than that, it's the ONLY thing I have to agree on with you. He was just doing his job. Although, It's definitely something that I'll have talk to him about. It's really not something worth making a thread to impeach him (especially when it's just for editing a post. It's ridiculous). The whole meaning of this thread is to retaliate at Doug for his post that was assumingly directed at you. That's basically it.
This is the one and only occasion that I have heard anything about his moderating skills. Doug is a great moderator and I trust him greatly to handle that section of the site. Sure, he may have hiccups here and there, but overall it's nothing to get all excited about.
As for the all likeliness of Doug being impeached, the chances are very low.
This is the one and only occasion that I have heard anything about his moderating skills. Doug is a great moderator and I trust him greatly to handle that section of the site. Sure, he may have hiccups here and there, but overall it's nothing to get all excited about.
As for the all likeliness of Doug being impeached, the chances are very low.
Jun 2, 2004, 09:24 PM
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i agree with LancerEvoMR, just because of editing someone's post he shouldn't be impeached......
anyways in every thread I look where an evo is for sale, there's always a dumb-*** who points out that the car is worth crap and they shoud sell it for 1/2 the price...., can't there be a rule against that? they're obviously low-ballers who are not interested in anything but ruining the guy's chances to sell the car. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL F/S THREADS
anyways in every thread I look where an evo is for sale, there's always a dumb-*** who points out that the car is worth crap and they shoud sell it for 1/2 the price...., can't there be a rule against that? they're obviously low-ballers who are not interested in anything but ruining the guy's chances to sell the car. THIS HAPPENS IN ALL F/S THREADS
Jun 2, 2004, 09:36 PM
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Kareem,
If you had a problem with my actions I'd rather you speak to me in private than become a giant lightning rod. But I'm okay defending myself here as well.
I do stand by my actions as one of my mod functions is to offer a "fair" environment for members to sell their products. While we might not all agree with the price set by jmlenz on his silver evo, but it is clearly not a case of fraud or price gouging. However, with the numerous Evos that have been for sale as of late (whatever the reasons may be) it has become difficult to assist these members in selling their vehicles due to the constant lambasting of set prices. Let the seller decide the price and if it doesn't move he reserves the right the modify the price or repost down the road.
To you Kareem, I again emphasize my general comments were not directed at you although I did feel your offer was quite low. I am aggrevated by the numerous "newbies" (often less than 10 other total posts) who come on and dictate a ridiciously low price that offends the seller. The reason I deleted mg_motorsports post is because I felt it was inflammatory and destroyed the tone set by the seller. I am clearly within my right to do so.
I have received feedback (emails, PMs, AIM IMs) from both fronts regarding how I have been handling the cars for sale on the site. The sellers on one hand have greatly appreciated the elimination of hijackers, while the "hijackers" feel they have a absolute freedom of speech to counter a "set" price. It is a delicate situation that I'm sure will dictate new rules being passed down from "senior management".
Kareem, feel free to reach me on AIM or by email to further discuss this matter. This will be my reply to the situation. Even after this thread I appreciate all the reported posts you have brought to my attention particularly during business hours where I cannot tend to matters at hand on this great site.
Doug
If you had a problem with my actions I'd rather you speak to me in private than become a giant lightning rod. But I'm okay defending myself here as well.
I do stand by my actions as one of my mod functions is to offer a "fair" environment for members to sell their products. While we might not all agree with the price set by jmlenz on his silver evo, but it is clearly not a case of fraud or price gouging. However, with the numerous Evos that have been for sale as of late (whatever the reasons may be) it has become difficult to assist these members in selling their vehicles due to the constant lambasting of set prices. Let the seller decide the price and if it doesn't move he reserves the right the modify the price or repost down the road.
To you Kareem, I again emphasize my general comments were not directed at you although I did feel your offer was quite low. I am aggrevated by the numerous "newbies" (often less than 10 other total posts) who come on and dictate a ridiciously low price that offends the seller. The reason I deleted mg_motorsports post is because I felt it was inflammatory and destroyed the tone set by the seller. I am clearly within my right to do so.
I have received feedback (emails, PMs, AIM IMs) from both fronts regarding how I have been handling the cars for sale on the site. The sellers on one hand have greatly appreciated the elimination of hijackers, while the "hijackers" feel they have a absolute freedom of speech to counter a "set" price. It is a delicate situation that I'm sure will dictate new rules being passed down from "senior management".
Kareem, feel free to reach me on AIM or by email to further discuss this matter. This will be my reply to the situation. Even after this thread I appreciate all the reported posts you have brought to my attention particularly during business hours where I cannot tend to matters at hand on this great site.
Doug
Jun 2, 2004, 10:20 PM
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Why do rules have to be set for private sellers. I DONT agree on that.
1. They don't pay vendor/seller fees, so who cares, and what does it benefit for us.
2. No one knows if thats the real seller, it can be a scammer FWIW.
3. These are items/products/cars that can be sold at whatever price. I believe we (the users of this board, can/should complain about prices anytime - if it were vendors, I would not do it.)
1. They don't pay vendor/seller fees, so who cares, and what does it benefit for us.
2. No one knows if thats the real seller, it can be a scammer FWIW.
3. These are items/products/cars that can be sold at whatever price. I believe we (the users of this board, can/should complain about prices anytime - if it were vendors, I would not do it.)
Jun 3, 2004, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Google
I do stand by my actions as one of my mod functions is to offer a "fair" environment for members to sell their products. While we might not all agree with the price set by jmlenz on his silver evo, but it is clearly not a case of fraud or price gouging. However, with the numerous Evos that have been for sale as of late (whatever the reasons may be) it has become difficult to assist these members in selling their vehicles due to the constant lambasting of set prices. Let the seller decide the price and if it doesn't move he reserves the right the modify the price or repost down the road.
