Precision vs. TiAL
TiAL got their start about 10 years or so ago, ripping off Turbonetics Delta Gate design, well ripping off is probably too harsh of a word. But they took, Turbonetics Design and improved (it was really a peice of **** to start with) an made a 38mm WG that was so good that everyone basically forgot about the old Delta Gate (which was 35mm).
Back then Turbonetics was your only option for external WG without going to the more expensive and at that time hard to get HKS and GReddy units.
Everyone knows TiAL makes amazing product. Question will be is the PTE WG and slight improvement over the standard 44mm TiAL gate or will it be a subpar knockoff?
Back then Turbonetics was your only option for external WG without going to the more expensive and at that time hard to get HKS and GReddy units.
Everyone knows TiAL makes amazing product. Question will be is the PTE WG and slight improvement over the standard 44mm TiAL gate or will it be a subpar knockoff?
And that seems to be the real question that I feel will be answered in due time. Will the PTE WG compare with Tial? To get defensive without cause, other than over a little competition, seems ridiculous. I hope to put it to the test very soon, then we can talk factual data versus bad mouth ignorance. And for the record, look at most of the records currently held... oh yea, they are PTE turbos.. Wonder why that is, because they are proven. They weren't the best in the beginning, but what is normally.
2nd - Titan is saying that they sell the Tial 44 for $450 which for people that don't know any better, they would think that is what they go for. The tial 44 should be between $330 and $360 ish. Titan is certainly in their right to sell it for what they want to sell it for but when comparing the Tial Unit to The PTE and mentioning price, I would think they should use the average prices for the units as apposed to their jacked up price. Obviously when doing that, they PTE looks much more better.
http://www.full-race.com/catalog/pro...roducts_id=110
3rd- PTE has been making bolt on housings for the dsm for years. I have owned atleast 12 of them over the past 12 years or so. I dont know why they havent attacked the evo market.
It looked defensive when I read it, that's why I stated as such. And to be honest, I could care less what Titan is selling their products for. My only incentive in this entire thread was to know whether or not the PTE WG could perform as good as or better than Tial. They definitely look alike, I think anyone in their right mind can see that, but they have given it their own look as well. The slightest changes can make anything look different if it was done right.
lastly, I'm confused as to what you were trying to convey in your last statement... the way I read it, it seems you were saying that PTE has not engaged the Evo aggressively in sales and marketing... Dayum, I thought they were right there with Garrett to be honest. Personal opinion of course, but both of those companies are very prominent in the Evo community. Carbon copies, as you put it...
lastly, I'm confused as to what you were trying to convey in your last statement... the way I read it, it seems you were saying that PTE has not engaged the Evo aggressively in sales and marketing... Dayum, I thought they were right there with Garrett to be honest. Personal opinion of course, but both of those companies are very prominent in the Evo community. Carbon copies, as you put it...
It looked defensive when I read it, that's why I stated as such. And to be honest, I could care less what Titan is selling their products for. My only incentive in this entire thread was to know whether or not the PTE WG could perform as good as or better than Tial. They definitely look alike, I think anyone in their right mind can see that, but they have given it their own look as well. The slightest changes can make anything look different if it was done right.
lastly, I'm confused as to what you were trying to convey in your last statement... the way I read it, it seems you were saying that PTE has not engaged the Evo aggressively in sales and marketing... Dayum, I thought they were right there with Garrett to be honest. Personal opinion of course, but both of those companies are very prominent in the Evo community. Carbon copies, as you put it...
lastly, I'm confused as to what you were trying to convey in your last statement... the way I read it, it seems you were saying that PTE has not engaged the Evo aggressively in sales and marketing... Dayum, I thought they were right there with Garrett to be honest. Personal opinion of course, but both of those companies are very prominent in the Evo community. Carbon copies, as you put it...
Now in the dsm market, PTE makes bolt on turbine housing. This means that you can buy a GT35r, GT37 , 50 trim ect ect and have it bolt on to your evos stock manifold and stock o2 housing. It works. You can make great power and its cost effective.
Being the evo 8 has been out for 7 years now, I would have hoped that PTE would have designed some sort of bolt on turbine housing by now. Something that competes with the FP series. The last tech I spoke to at PTE said that they have no plans for a bolt on evo turbine housing for whatever reason. I hope you understand now.
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TiAL got their start about 10 years or so ago, ripping off Turbonetics Delta Gate design, well ripping off is probably too harsh of a word. But they took, Turbonetics Design and improved (it was really a peice of **** to start with) an made a 38mm WG that was so good that everyone basically forgot about the old Delta Gate (which was 35mm).
Back then Turbonetics was your only option for external WG without going to the more expensive and at that time hard to get HKS and GReddy units.
Everyone knows TiAL makes amazing product. Question will be is the PTE WG and slight improvement over the standard 44mm TiAL gate or will it be a subpar knockoff?
Back then Turbonetics was your only option for external WG without going to the more expensive and at that time hard to get HKS and GReddy units.
Everyone knows TiAL makes amazing product. Question will be is the PTE WG and slight improvement over the standard 44mm TiAL gate or will it be a subpar knockoff?
we got our start in 1994 (16 years ago) by developing the F46 bolt on replacement for the Porsche 930
in 1998 development began on the 50mm bov and the F35 gate, the F35 shared the same flange as the Rajay wastegate but that was about it
Rajay gate
and if you can call the f35 knocking this off:
you might need to have your eyes checked
Last edited by TiALSport; Jan 15, 2010 at 06:52 AM.
You need to remember that the tial 44 has been out for a while. Where the precision is brand new and looks tweaked from the tial 44, the old tial 44, now when tial releases their newer version that is updated,I believe that this would be a better comparison. Have any of you guys seen the tial mvs? Well these have been leaked elsewhere so here you go.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...ostid=63058042
I am buying two of these;-) tial 44 mvr.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...ostid=63058042
I am buying two of these;-) tial 44 mvr.
-Forced Performance Green, Red, and Black..
and
-The mass produced tubular manifolds.. Almost every upgraded EVO has an exhaust manifold or if they don't they are running a Forced Performance turbo..
I've seen very few people go fast on bolt on PTE turbos.. All the fast guys are run FP bolt on turbos. (this was in the dsm world) Not flaming, but an observation I've made over the years.
You need to remember that the tial 44 has been out for a while. Where the precision is brand new and looks tweaked from the tial 44, the old tial 44, now when tial releases their newer version that is updated,I believe that this would be a better comparison. Have any of you guys seen the tial mvs? Well these have been leaked elsewhere so here you go.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...ostid=63058042
I am buying two of these;-) tial 44 mvr.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothrea...ostid=63058042
I am buying two of these;-) tial 44 mvr.
"wow, water cooled wastegate. thats pretty crazy "
Last edited by awdboosted; Jan 17, 2010 at 10:23 PM.
Two reasons..
-Forced Performance Green, Red, and Black..
and
-The mass produced tubular manifolds.. Almost every upgraded EVO has an exhaust manifold or if they don't they are running a Forced Performance turbo..
I've seen very few people go fast on bolt on PTE turbos.. All the fast guys are run FP bolt on turbos. (this was in the dsm world) Not flaming, but an observation I've made over the years.
LMAO Don't ever post a link from the vw board again.. First comment
"wow, water cooled wastegate. thats pretty crazy "
-Forced Performance Green, Red, and Black..
and
-The mass produced tubular manifolds.. Almost every upgraded EVO has an exhaust manifold or if they don't they are running a Forced Performance turbo..
I've seen very few people go fast on bolt on PTE turbos.. All the fast guys are run FP bolt on turbos. (this was in the dsm world) Not flaming, but an observation I've made over the years.
LMAO Don't ever post a link from the vw board again.. First comment
"wow, water cooled wastegate. thats pretty crazy "
I take it your being sarcastic.Yes 10 years ago.I ran carburators with a blow thru setup.It need all that boost to clear them carbs up.Imports and turbo cars didn't just show up.Ive been it since i can remember early 80s there abouts.my father was tooling with imports and we have never stopped.Carrers and Business came first that slows our racing program from progressing but we are out at the track every chance we get.
Referring to the new 44mm wastegate and saying it's water cooled??? The post on the board was a guy saying that the current wastegate is water cooled. I'm 99.9 percent sure it's not water cooled. I guess the article said they are water cooled. Can you clear this up Tial??
Last edited by awdboosted; Jan 18, 2010 at 09:04 PM.
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Referring to the new 44mm wastegate and saying it's water cooled??? The post on the board was a guy saying that the current wastegate is water cooled. I'm 99.9 percent sure it's not water cooled. I guess the article said they are water cooled. Can you clear this up Tial??
the V44's are not water cooled, however we ran a batch that did have a water jacket for some special applications
water cooling is only required if you have: an engine bay with no airflow, drafting a lot (roadracing) or the wastegate top is positioned very close to the turbine housing/downpipe/runners
