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l8r)

I thought race calipers would have boots on the pistons.

Ludi,

search for "PFC Brakes Silver Vendor" on here.... they have just about all the info... it was 1700$ last time I checked for everything...

STI guy Kiev,
I'm not really sure what you are trying to accomplish by your attacks on myself, Essex, and AP Racing. I am quite familiar with the entire AP Racing brake lineup.
1. The strap drive system is used primarily for street systems to prevent noise/rattle, while still maintaining some float in the disc. The system we are selling is a race/track system. Please find me a picture of AP's strap drive system being used on a elite level race car (hint: you are going to be looking for a long time).
2. As for the products in this system being an inferior product from the same brand...take a stab out how much that AP Racing brake system on the C6R costs. I'll give you another hint...it's five figures. Now how many Evo owners are going to spend that kind of money on a front brake system, and why would we waste our time putting something like that together? We used the best AP Racing components we could while keeping the price point within reason, as well as considering the overall ownership costs for replacement parts and spares. The goal was to pack as much value and features into our system as we could...which we did. Your logic on this one doesn't make any sense. Every product line, from just about every manufacture, in every industry, has a range of products with differing features and price points.
3. The system we're selling is plenty sexy in its own right (at least every enthusiast that has seen it thinks so). My point of posting the vette pic was to show the similarities between the 'money is no object' AP system and the system we're selling. Do the two calipers and discs really look that dissimilar? The same design, testing, and knowledge that goes into the most expensive parts AP Racing sells is carried over into the design of their less expensive parts as well. The same guys, at the same computers are making these parts, and they're being built in the same place.

I think you're confusing seals and boots. Seals are inside the piston bore. They prevent fluid from escaping from behind the piston,and prevent contaminants from getting into the bore. Every caliper has piston seals.

Dust boots are used on street calipers. Race calipers do not use them. They are intended to keep debris, dirt, etc. from entering your calipers. Unfortunately, they usually incinerate as soon as you take them on the track. They basically make a mess of things. If you regularly drive your car on the track, dust boots are pointless. Scroll about a third of the way down this page for all of the info on seals and dust boots, and why they aren't on this system.

STI guy kiev,
Since you're obviously confident that you can get such a great value from this competing brake system, please list the exact specifications of what is included in this $1700 brake kit. Please also include the cost of replacement discs and pads.

I looked on PFC's "Z Rated Big Brake Kit Application Guide," and saw the cheapest front system for an Evo 7,8,9 listed at $3875. I took a look at the thread you referenced, and it reads, "Brake Kits prices start out at $1,775." This is one of the most classic marketing maneuvers of all time, in which the seller states the absolute lowest price for a general product type that they offer. If you read the ad carefully, it doesn't actually say which brake kits start out at that price, or what is included. I think you're going to find that $1775 won't be buying you what you believe it might.

Good god! Is it possible for you to not be a nuisance in a new product release thread? I hope at some time in your life you get to where you actually know as much as you think you do, but for now please stop.

Thank you very much.

We will post our STi results here as well. Paul is out of town for a week so I only have some limited pictures but here is the summary.

2008 STi track car. Bolt in cage/no AC/semi-stripped w/ cooling/suspension/safety.
Conservative Power - 275 WHP

DOT R-comps - (Hankook slicks)

We ran TrackDaze at VIR - 4-30 min sessions - 90ish degrees and Paul is in the advanced group. He can turn about a 2:13-14 lap now which if you don't know is C5 Corvette territory.

Braking was 100% consistent both days.

The pads are 0.800" thick new. Wear was pretty low - I'll have to measure but certainly looked lower than he was getting w/ the OEM Brembo's. More surprising to me was that the rotor showed no heat checking yet.

We'll add more later but I'm pretty impressed given the relative size/weight reduction and cost of ownership.

-Ken

Hawk DTC-70's for this shape - $189.38. That's LIST! price.
Hawk DTC-70's for your EVO- $354.98

LOL, the $1700 kit is for rear calipers and rotors. The fronts are more than double.

STi*guy.kiev FTL

l8r)

Who else makes pads for the AP shape? PFC, CL?

l8r)

Lots, most ref the shape to a Wilwood Superlight, correct me on that Jeff if i'm wrong. I asked the same question if I could get my ST47 compound in that shape and I can. The other thing to note is that the common shape isn't "full width." Meaning you'll have a small section of the rotor that isn't touched. The guys at Essex worked with Ferodo and a few others to get them to make full width pads so you take advantage of 100% of the surface. So not only do they put the time and effort into the kit originally, but they listen to any real issues and address them, rather then putting them into a pile like most other vendors.

I wasnīt confusing seals for boots. I asked because once I read a book about racing brakes and I remember something about the boots, thatīs why I asked.

Anyway, what you said makes sense. Yesterday I left my Golf GTI 1.8T on a shop to change the front caliper boots. They melted on a track day 2 years ago

I loose... its just that I have a set of strap drive rotors for the OEM brembos and they really felt better than the racing brake 2pc rotors..

Anyway, Essex sorry for the mal tone, youre convincing and confident which is exactly what we need.

I never said your kit was anything less than great, i just thought that we could get the strap drives for that price... they're a little more $$ than normal..

As for as PFC and thier FAKE PRICING, ESSEX AGAIN YOU WIN. I ATE MY WORDS)

later..

why must I call for pricing on the Calipers only?

I'm not sure I believe that loosing 1-2 percent bite in the front is a good thing..but everything else looks good and my pistons in my brembo's might be done so if that's the case I might pick these AP racing calipers up.

PM me a price?