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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 09:42 PM
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Why dont both of you guys go back to the six window map until I can replicate what you are talking about.
That is what I did and have no problem with the six window map so please let us know as soon you see what is going on thanks .
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 10:18 PM
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Will someone post up their 10 window map, so i can test the exact map you are using.
Old Sep 7, 2005 | 10:35 PM
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Here is the map that is giving me problems .
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Old Sep 8, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Just a thought, but is it possible that between shifts with no throttle, the ECU shuts off the injectors and creates a lean spike in the AFR signal that would cause the Xede to step in with the SMART fuel map. Evidently the LC1 is sensitive enough to catch a single missfire so I'm sure it would have no trouble catching the data between gear shifts. But it sounds like the ECU is cutting fuel because of an overboost situation, I had the same problem. I don't think the SMART boost table is connected to anything physical (i.e. an actual pressure sensor), so it just assumes how much boost to bleed off. I think the analog MAP sensor was used for the AFR signal, so the Xede doesn't know what the manifold pressure is anymore, I think? I could be wrong though, this is all very confusing
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 04:42 PM
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No question in my mind this is what is what is occurring.

Just a thought, but is it possible that between shifts with no throttle, the ECU shuts off the injectors and creates a lean spike in the AFR signal that would cause the Xede to step in with the SMART fuel map. Evidently the LC1 is sensitive enough to catch a single missfire so I'm sure it would have no trouble catching the data between gear shifts.
There are potentially two issues discussed in this thread. What wasn't stated is if the boost table was modified. The default smart boost table limits maximum boost as a function of measured load at a given RPM. Hence the smart boost table provides a self limiting boost function. Thus the overboost cut map really protects from a component failure. On the other hand the engine cited is really not stock so perhaps the maps need to be adjusted.

The Xede functionally never knew pressure as the stock MAP sensor is only a 1 bar sensor.

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But it sounds like the ECU is cutting fuel because of an overboost situation, I had the same problem. I don't think the SMART boost table is connected to anything physical (i.e. an actual pressure sensor), so it just assumes how much boost to bleed off. I think the analog MAP sensor was used for the AFR signal, so the Xede doesn't know what the manifold pressure is anymore, I think? I could be wrong though, this is all very confusing
To some extent this will be overcome by events when the funciton of these maps are rolled into the firmware. I just tried to make the point that if the implementation is simply translated into software and there is are issues with the
implementation it might be prudent to explore other implementations.
Old Sep 8, 2005 | 04:43 PM
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FYI,

I can confirm that this map exhibits the problem on my car.

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Here is the map that is giving me problems .
Old Sep 9, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu
Will someone post up their 10 window map, so i can test the exact map you are using.
Any updates Dustin ?
Old Sep 11, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 09:51 PM
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Any updates ?
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 10:25 AM
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Sorry guys....I will try and get to it today. I have been somewhat strapped for time at work, and school for that matter.
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 09:46 PM
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Thanks Dustin
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu
Sorry guys....I will try and get to it today. I have been somewhat strapped for time at work, and school for that matter.
Forgot to ask you earlier... what did you come up with on this?
Old Sep 14, 2005 | 11:45 PM
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Sorry guys, I ended up on the phone 95% of the day. If you guys want to yell at the people who called me today, you can yell at joey coats, and noise. LOL.
Old Sep 15, 2005 | 07:32 AM
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Actually, just share the conversations... knowing those two, it is probably good info for everyone... if it was car related
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