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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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SMART Basic Tuning Guide -- Questions

I have just read through the "SMART XEDE -- A walk-thru and basic tuning guide -- Rev 1.0"

I found it to be very informative and interesting. For those of you that haven’t checked it out -- http://www.vishnutuning.com/Smart/SM...20Tutorial.htm

Naturally I had some questions come up and I am hoping someone more knowledgeable than me might be able to help
Please forgive me if the answers are obvious as I am very new to tuning.

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I was unable to find a stage 330+ SMART map on the Vishnu site. To work around this I loaded the "Stage Zero + Downpipe 91 octane" into XMap2 and following the directions I found here I created the attached map. I used the "SMART pump gas launch control.XM3" to do this. Once done I noticed a distinct difference between the walk-thru boost map and the one I copied. I am curious as to why the percentages are 100% for the 10% and 15% load on mine. Obviously I could change this as advised in the walk-thru but am interested as to why the original map didn't have this already. I also noticed that the percentages are much higher in my map. Is this normal for a stage 0+ car because it spools slower than the example car? Is the map I created correct?

I am hoping that SMART will work for a Stage 0+ car.
If not then Stage 1+ Signature here we come!

Originally Posted by walk-thru
3) Leave the bottom two rows zero. This is because there is no reason to keep the factory boost control solenoid pulsing at low loads. All this does is heat up the solenoid and the solenoid driving circuitry.


Thanks to anyone who read this far
All input is appreciated.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 07:56 PM
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i purchased the xede with smart about 3 months ago, so any info on this would be very greatly appreciated.



(sorry this has nothing to do with your post, but what the hell kind of car is that chasing down the F40 in that video???? again i apologize but just had to find out. )
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(sorry this has nothing to do with your post, but what the hell kind of car is that chasing down the F40 in that video???? again i apologize but just had to find out. )

Not to hijack my own thread...
It is called a Caterham Super 7 Superlight R
Check out http://www.rmsci.com
and http://www.caterham.co.uk/

Here is a quick pic of the car that day -- A full cage and other goodies have been added since but I have no updated pictures.


Here is a pic of the F40 -- you may have seen it on Speed doing Mother's car wax adds.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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Do this....

fill in the bottom two rows how they were on your old map. Then add the values: 1000, and 1500 to the X-axis of the boost table. Once you have done this, just put zeros in the 10 and 15% for the 1000, and 1500 cells.
Old Nov 2, 2005 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu
Do this....

fill in the bottom two rows how they were on your old map. Then add the values: 1000, and 1500 to the X-axis of the boost table. Once you have done this, just put zeros in the 10 and 15% for the 1000, and 1500 cells.
Dustin,
Thanks for the help. Just to be clear I attached an updated copy of the boost table -- is this what you meant? Just out of curiosity, why not 0 the 10% and 15% all the way accross?

Thanks

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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 07:36 AM
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Actually you can zero out the whole rows. The engine isn't going to be boosting very much at those load levels anyway. It's easier on the WG solenoid as well as avoids that annoying clicking when driving around.

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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 08:22 AM
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Actually you can zero out the whole rows. The engine isn't going to be boosting very much at those load levels anyway. It's easier on the WG solenoid as well as avoids that annoying clicking when driving around.

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Do you guys think zeroing the rows will hurt boost response under some/any conditions? I not saying keep them @ 100 because I'm aware of the solenoid clicking issue but maybe there is an acceptable middle ground?
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The reason I suggest doing it the way JTB has, is because there will be certain situations where you may need the duty cycle in low load situations. For instance, if you go WOT@ 2000 RPM, while going down hill, you probably wont make enough load to drive the boost solenoid. However, if you put a value in those rows, you will.

FWIW, Paul, I set up your map like this as well.
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Can we use this tables #'s on a Non smart map
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You can with the v2. But sometimes you hear the solenoid clicking with v3, which is why you would want to have 0s in some cells.
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Originally Posted by Dustin@Vishnu
The reason I suggest doing it the way JTB has, is because there will be certain situations where you may need the duty cycle in low load situations. For instance, if you go WOT@ 2000 RPM, while going down hill, you probably wont make enough load to drive the boost solenoid. However, if you put a value in those rows, you will.

FWIW, Paul, I set up your map like this as well.
Cool, you know me, I don't want to overlook a single hp anywhere in the power band. BTW car runs better than ever
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OK good I just found more race gas up here. Will try the 0's even though I'm not running SMART, (YET) soon.
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Cool, you know me, I don't want to overlook a single hp anywhere in the power band. BTW car runs better than ever
I assume this means you now have SMART?
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I assume this means you now have SMART?
No not yet, just went up from V2 to V3 so I'm ready to get SMART (hey, it's all relative!). Got yours up and running yet
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No not yet, just went up from V2 to V3 so I'm ready to get SMART (hey, it's all relative!). Got yours up and running yet
Probably next week -- or at least until Kris at Logic Imports returns from SEMA. I want to do a baseline beforehand as my car is relatively stock -- then throw on the XEDE and SMART and the exhaust and see how I do
 


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