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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 06:33 AM
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From: Frederick, MD
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Thomas the DSMlink offers so many features, but what do you feel the DSMlink does not do right?
Sorry, this is Shiv's thread. I don't intend to hijack it answering questions about DSMLink unless Shiv himself brings us up. You can certainly contact me off line if you're interested. Or start a new thread out of Vishnu's area. I have no intentions of disrepecting a vendor's forum.

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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 06:36 AM
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Sorry, this is Shiv's thread. I don't intend to hijack it answering questions about DSMLink unless Shiv himself brings us up. You can certainly contact me off line if you're interested. Or start a new thread out of Vishnu's area. I have no intentions of disrepecting a vendor's forum.

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Good point. and I understand. But if this is Shiv area why does Shape always jumps on this and compares DSMlink to Exed? To tell you the truth I'm itching to try it out my self. As soon as I get rid of my M3 I think I might pick up a 2g for a project car.

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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 06:43 AM
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I've asked for a few upgrades to the DSMLink client over the past 2 years, and all of them have been included in the latest release. I could have coded them myself since the laptop client is written in Java, and open-source, but I'm too damn lazy when it comes to coding.

Actually, I do wish that I could adjust the DSMLink V2 coolant offset either up or down so that I could get the ECU to keep from retarding timing by one degree once the coolant temp hits 206 degrees F. Currently, you can only add an offset to the coolant temp, not subtract. Tom said that it might be possible to use a 2's compliment number in the client to get it to subtract instead of add, but he would have to take a look at it. Even if it can't, I could install a resistor or potentiometer on the coolant temp line going into the ECU to get around it.

Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 06:44 AM
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From: Frederick, MD
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But if this is Shiv area why does Shape always jumps on this and compares DSMlink to Exed?
I dunno. Maybe because he's a pleased customer looking to address some of the references to DSMLink being alluded to here. Shape has a genuine interest in helping people out when he can and clearing up issues before they get out of hand. He's proven that in several forums in the past, including this one.

Besides, the first refernce to DSMLink in this thread was actually by you. Shape originally just posted asking for clarification on what it took to get the Xede thing running on a 2G DSM.

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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Eric Lyublinsky


Good point. and I understand. But if this is Shiv area why does Shape always jumps on this and compares DSMlink to Exed?
Actually, Eric, you are the one that brought DSMLink up, not me.
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 06:52 AM
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Hey you guys are right!!!

Sorry I read to meny posts and forget 1/2 the stuff I post on.

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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 07:31 AM
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Actually, Eric, you are the one that brought DSMLink up, not me.
Yes but you normally do compare the two
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 07:47 AM
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Hey guys,
Shiv did a quick tune on my 97 GSX on 91 octane pump gas and got a very safe (10.1 A/F) 294 whp out of my car. That was at 18 psi running the XEDE. I was amazed that it only took a few pulls to tune the car from scratch. We will put some race gas in today (100 octane and 118 octane) as well as fine tune the 91 map. My car made 145 whp when it was stock on our dyno so I am very pleased with twice the wheel horsepower running so conservatively on this 91 swill. I will post up results later today of the race gas mapping. I am not sure if I can get close to our shop Evo(450WHP), but it will be fun trying.
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 07:58 AM
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Hey guys,
Shiv did a quick tune on my 97 GSX on 91 octane pump gas and got a very safe (10.1 A/F) 294 whp out of my car. That was at 18 psi running the XEDE. I was amazed that it only took a few pulls to tune the car from scratch. We will put some race gas in today (100 octane and 118 octane) as well as fine tune the 91 map. My car made 145 whp when it was stock on our dyno so I am very pleased with twice the wheel horsepower running so conservatively on this 91 swill. I will post up results later today of the race gas mapping. I am not sure if I can get close to our shop Evo(450WHP), but it will be fun trying.
Nice Brett!!!

294 on 91octain. That's moving
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 08:24 AM
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Thanks Eric. I wouldn't be surprised if their is another 10-15 whp left on the pump gas mapping as I still had a 1/4 tank of 11 month old gas in the car! My car is now almost making the same power as a 1997 Porsche 911 turbo and a 03 Z06 Vette on 91 octane.
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 08:30 AM
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Thanks Eric. I wouldn't be surprised if their is another 10-15 whp left on the pump gas mapping as I still had a 1/4 tank of 11 month old gas in the car! My car is now almost making the same power as a 1997 Porsche 911 turbo and a 03 Z06 Vette on 91 ocatne.
Oh to be humbaled by a GSX after spending a 100K on a Porsche.

Last time Shiv was here tuning I got a ride in a 700whp 97 TT 911. Fast is a understatment. Traps 135 on street tires. SMOOTH! guy is using a uni-chip for EM. We got up to 165mph between two exits (about less then a mile apart). Need less to say I was very impressed and scared for dear life. My nees were shaking when I got out of the car. Big Motors with two turbos = scared ERIC LYUBLINSKY
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by Eric Lyublinsky


Oh to be humbaled by a GSX after spending a 100K on a Porsche.

Last time Shiv was here tuning I got a ride in a 700whp 97 TT 911. Fast is a understatment. Traps 135 on street tires. SMOOTH! guy is using a uni-chip for EM. We got up to 165mph between two exits (about less then a mile apart). Need less to say I was very impressed and scared for dear life. My nees were shaking when I got out of the car. Big Motors with two turbos = scared ERIC LYUBLINSKY
Old Jan 22, 2004 | 08:59 AM
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Old Jan 22, 2004 | 09:52 PM
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I too am a very satisfied customer running the link and was considering e-mailing Thomas or Dave about this thread. The biggest advantage to me is ease of use. I can hand the handbook to anyone with a little car knowledge or give them a 5 minute lesson and they could probably tune the product just fine. Also, I believe any piggyback that lies to the computer to get a certain result is a ****ty way to do things even if they can or cannot be corrected. plus I love my datalogger!
Old Jan 23, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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[B I only said if one were to claim that was needed, then yeah, you could consider DSMLink slightly (ever so) limiting. But I don't feel that type of adjustment is necessary if you use the factory defined values as they were intended. [/B]
What you consider slightly limiting, I and others would consider a big handicap. Any engine control system that doesn't allow the user to accurately tune partial throttle is compromised. By how much is the question.

I assert that the factory's "defined values" are not very useful as tuning strategies vary between a 200hp stocker and a 500hp modified car.

Furthermore, you're comments regarding the inherent problems with piggybacks (MAF adjustments induce timing changes) isn't an issue if you are using a load bearing dyno to determine the necessary timing offsets. That is tuning, afterall. Just because you can't do it accurately on a dynojet or on the road, doesn't mean that it can't be done.

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