methanol mixtures
Actually the last time I was at the races...Battle of the imports, I spoke to the Garret Turbo guys that own the Pontiact sunfire with that Eco-tec motor running Meth injection. They spent lots on testing and said that meth without water is a waste because the heat isnt effected as nearly as much as when they ran some H2o in the mix.
Yes meth is cool when you blow it, but shove that into a combustion chamber thats 1000 plus degree's and it wont matter cause it evaporates so fast. Where the water pulls the heat right out of the intake track.
H2o removes more heat that alky... fact! More heat gone = more timing = boost= more power... but I would like to see a someone with enough ***** to tune water on their dd aggressively enough to make the true potential of 100% water! we are talking very very lean afrs!!! So to stay safe add some alky and you’re good. Alky is thinner and more slippery so it spreads better making a better cylinder distribution and so on. Abner knows all about the need for cylinder distribution 
(Notice this is in alky mixtures for dummies format, no deap terms, cause idk any) 
Also one of the main +'s for alky is higher octane... simple math there.. WRC cars using alky/water injection are making low to mid 300 whp but 400-500 ftlbs cause of the a massive amount of timing they run. I run the windshield cleaner from AutoZone and its cheap!!!buck a gallon, But it does leave a blue dye hanging around anything that leaks...
If I was building a pure race car I would run 100% water because you can make more power by the shear cooling effects... Id also be running on vp 116 so I would not need to worry about the Ron number at all. But for Daily driving wanting more boost against gaystangs 50/50 is the way to go, best of both worlds, octane and cooling without breakin the bank!!!!
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"Can I use Washer Fluid?
Some engines get the best gains from straight water, and some with straight methanol, and some with a water/methanol mix. How much methanol, well that is up to what your engine prefers, and every engine is different. We recommend to start with straight water, and then see the results. Then, try a 10% meth/water mix, being sure to purge the straight water from the lines, and then see the results. Do this for 20%, 30%, 40%, and 50%, etc.... If during this process, you notice your performance decrease, then don't try any higher of a mixture. Revert back to the previous amounts and use what works best.
There are many places to buy straight methanol, found here, but if you are going to use a water/methanol mixture, the easiest (and cheapest) is to buy the blue windshield washer fluid that is used during winter time to prevent the fluid from freezing. It may sound cheap ($1.29-$1.99 per gallon), but it is just as good as any methanol/water mixture you would make otherwise. The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant amount (<1%). Some of the washer fluids, such as RainX, contain cleaning additives, but this is easily determined by shaking the bottle and seeing of it suds up like soapy water. If it does, don't buy it, but if it doesn't, then it is good to use. There are many different brands out there, but they all have common amounts of methanol for their respective temperature rating, regardless of the brand. We have many MSDS's (Material Safety Data Sheets) from different companies to support the following data, but only one per temperature rating is available for viewing, which is representative of all the brands (within a few percent) that produce that specific temperature rating. To view the MSDS, simply click on the item.
+20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 7% methanol.
0 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 23% methanol.
-10 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 28% methanol.
-20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 35% methanol.
-25 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 38% methanol.
-50 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 62% methanol."
(Notice this is in alky mixtures for dummies format, no deap terms, cause idk any) Also one of the main +'s for alky is higher octane... simple math there.. WRC cars using alky/water injection are making low to mid 300 whp but 400-500 ftlbs cause of the a massive amount of timing they run. I run the windshield cleaner from AutoZone and its cheap!!!buck a gallon, But it does leave a blue dye hanging around anything that leaks...
If I was building a pure race car I would run 100% water because you can make more power by the shear cooling effects... Id also be running on vp 116 so I would not need to worry about the Ron number at all. But for Daily driving wanting more boost against gaystangs
50/50 is the way to go, best of both worlds, octane and cooling without breakin the bank!!!! http://www.enginerunup.com/shop.php/...luid-/i_1.html
"Can I use Washer Fluid?
Some engines get the best gains from straight water, and some with straight methanol, and some with a water/methanol mix. How much methanol, well that is up to what your engine prefers, and every engine is different. We recommend to start with straight water, and then see the results. Then, try a 10% meth/water mix, being sure to purge the straight water from the lines, and then see the results. Do this for 20%, 30%, 40%, and 50%, etc.... If during this process, you notice your performance decrease, then don't try any higher of a mixture. Revert back to the previous amounts and use what works best.
There are many places to buy straight methanol, found here, but if you are going to use a water/methanol mixture, the easiest (and cheapest) is to buy the blue windshield washer fluid that is used during winter time to prevent the fluid from freezing. It may sound cheap ($1.29-$1.99 per gallon), but it is just as good as any methanol/water mixture you would make otherwise. The blue is just a dye, and an extremely insignificant amount (<1%). Some of the washer fluids, such as RainX, contain cleaning additives, but this is easily determined by shaking the bottle and seeing of it suds up like soapy water. If it does, don't buy it, but if it doesn't, then it is good to use. There are many different brands out there, but they all have common amounts of methanol for their respective temperature rating, regardless of the brand. We have many MSDS's (Material Safety Data Sheets) from different companies to support the following data, but only one per temperature rating is available for viewing, which is representative of all the brands (within a few percent) that produce that specific temperature rating. To view the MSDS, simply click on the item.
+20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 7% methanol.
0 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 23% methanol.
-10 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 28% methanol.
-20 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 35% methanol.
-25 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 38% methanol.
-50 F Washer Fluid - Contains approximately 62% methanol."
But for straight pump, I could see where 100% meth and the higher octane of the mix could override any latent heat benefits of water.
Wouldn't the proper/best mix be dependent on octane rating of the base fuel? I mean, if you're running C-16, meth won't have as big an impact on the octane rating the motor sees as it would on straight pump gas. So if they're running 7's, they're probably on some high octane fuel already, and it stands to reason more water would be better.
But for straight pump, I could see where 100% meth and the higher octane of the mix could override any latent heat benefits of water.
But for straight pump, I could see where 100% meth and the higher octane of the mix could override any latent heat benefits of water.
when water and methanol is mixed....heat is evolved ........post #10 thru 12...
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ic#post4191906
so put it in dumb *** terms for me cause i just got done with my 35r install... new to meth and the best mix for me is what 50/50.. I was thinking of starting with that then going about 60/40 or 75meth/25 water
I have the m10 now.. and I plan on getting a m15 for my tune.. it is not hooked up yet. I just got the 35 on. I plan on only running around 26-27 psi with the meth... and ONCE in a whille around 29-30 at the track.. i dont wanna push it that far... just make around 500 and i will be happy. Please PM me what you think is the best route