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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 05:26 PM
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Progressive pump speed injection system - Do they work?

I am willing to test out anyones progressive pump speed ( variable speed/variable pressure/variable flow ) to see how well it performs. Send your system to me, i will test it out and return it to you. Results will be published here.

Anyone game for it?
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Old Sep 15, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
I am willing to test out anyones progressive pump speed ( variable speed/variable pressure/variable flow ) to see how well it performs. Send your system to me, i will test it out and return it to you. Results will be published here.

Anyone game for it?

I've got an alkycontrol system I just pulled off the car (the old AMS kit). Could box it up for you.....

You're not coming to Houston any time soon, are you?
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 07:32 AM
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I've got an alkycontrol system I just pulled off the car (the old AMS kit). Could box it up for you.....

You're not coming to Houston any time soon, are you?
hey dubb, that will be nice if you could send that to me. nope, will not be going to houston soon. i'll pm you my address.

i've already tested 1 progressive system so far...results are shockingly dissapointing

Anyone else has a progressive system and you curious how well they perform?
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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After testing the HFS-1 I would never use a progressive pump speed kit again

Al
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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Abner - In what way do you plan to test the kits?
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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input signal (MAP voltage - 0 to 5vdc) or boost pressure Vs. flow output

my test will not be able to test the dynamic conditions seen in a car but it tell if those input signal have any correlation to the flow output.

i prefer to use voltage signal input to the progressive controller because i have a very stable power supply unit.

this was the setup i used for the 1st test i did

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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
hey dubb, that will be nice if you could send that to me. nope, will not be going to houston soon. i'll pm you my address.

i've already tested 1 progressive system so far...results are shockingly dissapointing

Anyone else has a progressive system and you curious how well they perform?
Abner,

Can you elaborate on your comment :" shockingy dissapointing". My SMC has been in use for a good solid 2 years and not a single failure, the gauge shows a solid 110psi plus and the system can be switched to pump even more.


What are you specifically looking at testing? liquid flow(cc per min)? pressure (psi)? nozzle flow pattern?

By the way, you need to work more on answering your phone in a timely manner, I called you this week xxxxx times while I was there in San Antonio all this week so that I could visit you.

Carlos
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Abner,

Can you elaborate on your comment :" shockingy dissapointing". My SMC has been in use for a good solid 2 years and not a single failure, the gauge shows a solid 110psi plus and the system can be switched to pump even more.


What are you specifically looking at testing? liquid flow(cc per min)? pressure (psi)? nozzle flow pattern?

By the way, you need to work more on answering your phone in a timely manner, I called you this week xxxxx times while I was there in San Antonio all this week so that I could visit you.

Carlos
i'm not in Austin...will be flying back home in an hour

there is a lot more to an injection system...notably what is claimed and what it "actually" can do.

Individual componentry is not the aim in this thread, i can start another thread discussing that if you wish
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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Abner,

When you make these bias tests, why do you use hardware that was not sold with the kit to begin with? you are using a 60 psi pump. Our system was designed to run a high pressure pump, we have never sold a vari-cool system with anything less than 150 psi.

When you use your "25 psi" checkvalve like you do, combined with a 60 psi pump you have a max range of 35 psi. Its no wonder you had **** poor results.

Both of these videos were done using our new failsafe and our system. A flow sensor would monitor the flow and return that value to the varicool to be reported on screen. If I had used a 60 psi pump, there wouldnt be these results.

High boost
http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=9#video


low boost
http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=4#video
David

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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowCar
input signal (MAP voltage - 0 to 5vdc) or boost pressure Vs. flow output

my test will not be able to test the dynamic conditions seen in a car but it tell if those input signal have any correlation to the flow output.

i prefer to use voltage signal input to the progressive controller because i have a very stable power supply unit.

this was the setup i used for the 1st test i did


I want to know how we can test the smoothness of delivery of progressive duty cycle systems and determine how smoothly the alcohol is delivered ?

One of my principal objections to those kits is the "feel" I get when the pumps are having an oscilation or pulsation

Al
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by fromWRXtoEVO
Abner,

Can you elaborate on your comment :" shockingy dissapointing". My SMC has been in use for a good solid 2 years and not a single failure, the gauge shows a solid 110psi plus and the system can be switched to pump even more.


What are you specifically looking at testing? liquid flow(cc per min)? pressure (psi)? nozzle flow pattern?

By the way, you need to work more on answering your phone in a timely manner, I called you this week xxxxx times while I was there in San Antonio all this week so that I could visit you.

Carlos
I have found that the SMC kit works very well also - although in reality it is at or near 100% duty cycle a lot of the time - dependant of course how you set the knobs on the controller

My cuisoity is dircted at some of the other more commonly used kits that use some variant of the larger sure flow pump


Best regards

Al
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
Abner,

When you make these bias tests, why do you use hardware that was not sold with the kit to begin with? you are using a 60 psi pump. Our system was designed to run a high pressure pump, we have never sold a vari-cool system with anything less than 150 psi.

When you use your "25 psi" checkvalve like you do, combined with a 60 psi pump you have a max range of 35 psi. Its no wonder you had **** poor results.

David
let the audience decide:

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386070
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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Both of these videos were done using our new failsafe and our system. A flow sensor would monitor the flow and return that value to the varicool to be reported on screen. If I had used a 60 psi pump, there wouldnt be these results.

High boost
http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=9#video


low boost
http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=4#video
David
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by coolingmist
Both of these videos were done using our new failsafe and our system. A flow sensor would monitor the flow and return that value to the varicool to be reported on screen. If I had used a 60 psi pump, there wouldnt be these results.

High boost
http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=9#video


low boost
http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx?videoid=4#video
David
Please show a pic of the setup for your videos

A spray video with the associated setup will be nice
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Old Sep 16, 2007 | 04:21 PM
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All of our videos are here:

http://www.coolingmist.com/videos.aspx
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