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Old Oct 28, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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My Failsafe Reaction Time

Just wanted to share and show how important a failsafe is.

I'm using my Zeitronix, w/ ZAVT1 + mac valve. Stock wastegate. Unit cuts boost to wastegate pressure.

Settings(trigger alarm):
12.5:1 a/f = >
23psi = >
...boost drops 162rpms later

Just want to incorporate the Aquamist flow sensor setup w/ flow gauge and i'm set.



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Old Oct 29, 2007 | 03:22 AM
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Impressive. What are all of the parts to implement this failsafe?
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Old Oct 29, 2007 | 06:23 AM
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mbc, failsafe trigger(zeitronix w/ zavt), mac valve(cuts boost)...if you're gonna do meth and get aggressive. It's worth getting a good failsafe.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:21 AM
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Are you using our super MAP sensor with the Zt-2?

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mbc, failsafe trigger(zeitronix w/ zavt), mac valve(cuts boost)...if you're gonna do meth and get aggressive. It's worth getting a good failsafe.
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Old Nov 4, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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No. I believe mine is rated to 35psi
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 03:07 PM
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that's very cool, I'd like to figure out a way for it to thump me on the head so I get off the gas pedal too
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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Response time may also be improved depending on where and how the WGA driving pressure is tapped.
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Originally Posted by Evoryder
Just wanted to share and show how important a failsafe is.

I'm using my Zeitronix, w/ ZAVT1 + mac valve. Stock wastegate. Unit cuts boost to wastegate pressure.

Settings(trigger alarm):
12.5:1 a/f = >
23psi = >
...boost drops 162rpms later

Just want to incorporate the Aquamist flow sensor setup w/ flow gauge and i'm set.




I read with interest, a couple of questions:

1. If the boost drop after trigger, why did the boost continued to drop after the afr has recovered below 12.5?

2. At ~4500rpm, or 75 revs per second. 162rpms = 2.16 seconds. Are you saying the response is slow or fast?

It is very impressive to see a failsafe at work. Not many people realise how important it is.

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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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Yes I am impressed also - kudos
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Originally Posted by Richard L
I read with interest, a couple of questions:

1. If the boost drop after trigger, why did the boost continued to drop after the afr has recovered below 12.5?

2. At ~4500rpm, or 75 revs per second. 162rpms = 2.16 seconds. Are you saying the response is slow or fast?
When the response time is put into those terms it seems as though it is very slow, but wouldn't this be the case only if the car was cruising at 4500. However, I think that since the car was accelerating it especially in that area (~4500 RPM's, near peak torque) that the RPM's would be moving very quickly, hence giving an almost instant response time.

This is what I made of this, however it may be very off. I would love to see some more input on this.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard L
I read with interest, a couple of questions:

1. If the boost drop after trigger, why did the boost continued to drop after the afr has recovered below 12.5?

2. At ~4500rpm, or 75 revs per second. 162rpms = 2.16 seconds. Are you saying the response is slow or fast?

It is very impressive to see a failsafe at work. Not many people realise how important it is.
i have an additional alarm duration... 3 second cool down. It comes default at 0 seconds.

I don't think 162 rpms is 2.16secs....
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Originally Posted by Evoryder
I don't think 162 rpms is 2.16secs....
At a steady 4500 RPM's it takes the motor 2.16 seconds to make the 162 revs. However, like I said above your measurement was taken during acceleration which makes your real delay probably a few tenths of a second.
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Old Nov 5, 2007 | 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mfr122887
At a steady 4500 RPM's it takes the motor 2.16 seconds to make the 162 revs. However, like I said above your measurement was taken during acceleration which makes your real delay probably a few tenths of a second.
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Originally Posted by mfr122887
When the response time is put into those terms it seems as though it is very slow, but wouldn't this be the case only if the car was cruising at 4500. However, I think that since the car was accelerating it especially in that area (~4500 RPM's, near peak torque) that the RPM's would be moving very quickly, hence giving an almost instant response time.

This is what I made of this, however it may be very off. I would love to see some more input on this.
The relevant duration is how long it takes for the rate of engine rotation to increase by 162 RPM -- not how long it takes for the engine to turn 162 revolutions.
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Old Nov 6, 2007 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
The relevant duration is how long it takes for the rate of engine rotation to increase by 162 RPM -- not how long it takes for the engine to turn 162 revolutions.
Exactly what I was trying to say. Hence the reason it takes alot less than 2.16 seconds for the transition to occur.

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