I think MP5, er David@Vishnu actually is on the Vishnu Tuning payroll.

 

I obviously meant folks other than those guys.....

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The area under the curve is the actual, total power.

If you take a magic marker and shade/fill-in all of the space/area under the line/curve, this darkened area represents the total power output of the engine.


Drivability is more important to us than shooting for a peak number.

With a given fuel, there is a maximum peak HP number that any competent tuner can reach. (Remember that the closer you get to that maximum, the smaller your margin of safety.)
A broad powerband across all RPMs is more difficult to achieve than chasing a single number for bragging rights.

 

Can't sell me the Kool-aid with this conjecture.

 

Go take a college level course in both Calculus and Physics.

The acutal work done by the engine is directly related the integral under the curve with respect to the rpm vs. time function.

Peak available power is only available at one point in the rpm band (and thus available for a very small portion of the rpm vs. time function).

Thus, it's the AREA under the curve that matters (unless you have a magic transmission that can keep your engine RPM at the maximum power output for your current situation).

So kiddo, stop calling it kool-aid if you just don't know how it works.

-S ...

(PS. It's 3am ... any errors or omissions are probably due to me being tired ... if anyone wants a more technical discussion on this matter I'll continue later. Peace.)

 

AMEN

 

Amen. Right On. Get Down.


Percy

 

I think my Area under the curve will be much better once I complete the entire turbo-back for my car and get a re-flash for it. (I'm cayamandiver's friend with the vishnu xflash)

 

why is every one talking ****? these cars have totally different mods, I repeat again turbo back>cat back

 

Exactly. That stock cat if very restrictive. I would think that finishing your exhaust out would easily net you more whp that your friend. Of course, you're running some sort of MBC with 21psi, so that might cancel out the TBE advantage! haha.

Dunno about the 'area under the curve' though. Not sure if Vishnu needs to redo your tuning flash for additional exhaust pieces? I wouldn't think it would be a need (although might help some).

Overall though, the lines themselves are somewhat similar in shape.

 

Go take some Psychology courses kiddo. Brain washing Works. Pun intended. Bottom line is if I still have more power at a higher RPM even if it tappers 20 whp vs. Works tuning staying constant all the way to redline I still go faster. Yeah Works has = WHP and Tq and it holds its peak power till red line. But if I make more peak horsepower and the same TQ and have a lil more still at redline(does not taper below Works tune at 7000 rpm) how is Works area under the curve going to make for a more powerful car. Also like it has been stated these cars are not a fair comparison. BTW I will compare your tune against a stage 1+ any day. You have the same mods as a 1+ Kool aid King. Want to take that challenge.Better not Kiddo! Like i am a punk kid that has no education. BTW I was being a lil sarcastic about wanting your guys explanation. I have heard the conjecture before and I believe area under the curve is important.However, you guys act like yours is superior and thus justify your lack of peak power with your area under the curve comments. Played out kiddo! You can have good peak powa and a good area under the curve can't you? Drink up. You have been Stallowned!

 

Ok, lets make things even more interesting. Here is the same dyno chart with my P2, turbo back and throttle body overlaid with my friends Vishnu flash, catback, intake and 21psi. I added my WORKS P1 graph (ORANGE) to this for a visual. The WORKS P1 flash is nearly identical in HP to the vishnu flash, except the vishnu peaks higher. As far as torque, the Vishnu and cat back give a noticeable difference compared to the stock car with just P1.

Again i'm not here saying one tuner is better than another. I'm only showing people what mods give you what kind of power through various parts and flashes.

 

I think you've got this reversed. A large area under the curve makes a car more pleasurable to drive on a day-to-day basis. Racecar engines however, tend to have very peaky power bands, at least technically sophisticated engines. Cars such as in Formula 1 operate in a more narrow rpm range, especially considering the size of entire rpm range. Power down low doesn’t mean much to the Ferrari team.

 

Dude don't even try the Kool-Aid is too strong on this forum.

 

Who cares?
When you can go to a road course and get your *** whipped by a great driver in a spec miata, it means little. My goal is to become such a good driver that I can fully exploit the measly 330 (crank) hp "kool-aid" kart that I have. Can you wring all the power out of your car in an effective manner on the track? All this conjecture means little to me otherwise. I stay with works because it strikes ME as safe, reliable, torqy and effective for where I am now. If my skills catch up to say, the level of someone like Robi, etc, I might look at other alternatives. For now, I'll take mine grape with lots of sugar. Amen.


Percy