Projectors.
http://faqlight.carpassion.info/special-topics.htm
9007 HID:
In 99% of all housings that utilises 9007, you will never be able to get OEM quality ligthing with an HID upgrade kit. Theoretically H4 has a better success rate than 9007. At least H4 is designed to use top part of reflector only, which helps when you want to decrease light above cutoff. High and low beam are selected by using 2 different filaments above each other. Low beam filament sits above high beam filament. 9007 based reflectors utilises most of the reflector area in both modes. This means that a shield is needed to block bottom part of reflector to hinder yellow light to reach the road. So far so good. But what about the increase light above the bright oval? That will be totally overfilled with glare. Also, filament length is 5mm. The HID filament is 4.2mm. That will make an HID upgraded 9007 have a smaller, distorted and partially intense pattern with possible blacked out center. Outside that you will notice the increased glare.
Conclusion: If you are able to (do or pay for) a custom job by using stock housings, it will take so many hours to end up with an half decent job that you would be better off taking a part time job and buy OEM HID houses, if they are available. They are available for 98+ Ford F150 and Expedition (directly off of Sylvanias site). Even if you retrofit projectors from a well functioning setup (see OEM HID overview page), into your headlights or create your own bracket, it would still be worth it, qualitywise. Also see the discussion regarding loss of high beam in the H4 section.
trust me when i say that i have research this topic to death..
-joe
9007 HID:
In 99% of all housings that utilises 9007, you will never be able to get OEM quality ligthing with an HID upgrade kit. Theoretically H4 has a better success rate than 9007. At least H4 is designed to use top part of reflector only, which helps when you want to decrease light above cutoff. High and low beam are selected by using 2 different filaments above each other. Low beam filament sits above high beam filament. 9007 based reflectors utilises most of the reflector area in both modes. This means that a shield is needed to block bottom part of reflector to hinder yellow light to reach the road. So far so good. But what about the increase light above the bright oval? That will be totally overfilled with glare. Also, filament length is 5mm. The HID filament is 4.2mm. That will make an HID upgraded 9007 have a smaller, distorted and partially intense pattern with possible blacked out center. Outside that you will notice the increased glare.
Conclusion: If you are able to (do or pay for) a custom job by using stock housings, it will take so many hours to end up with an half decent job that you would be better off taking a part time job and buy OEM HID houses, if they are available. They are available for 98+ Ford F150 and Expedition (directly off of Sylvanias site). Even if you retrofit projectors from a well functioning setup (see OEM HID overview page), into your headlights or create your own bracket, it would still be worth it, qualitywise. Also see the discussion regarding loss of high beam in the H4 section.
-joe
joe, i'm just going by what the parts dude told me when i asked him to look it up for me. he said that he looked up the part numbers for ours and for the japan models and they were the same. so i'm just saying what he told me.
my local mitsubishi dealer can't even look up japanese part #s.. and this is in canada..
i am not sure if the U.S. dealers can.. so he might jsut be pulilng your leg
but if you read the site i mentioend, you will see that it SHOULD be a different housing
-joe
i am not sure if the U.S. dealers can.. so he might jsut be pulilng your leg
but if you read the site i mentioend, you will see that it SHOULD be a different housing
-joe
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From: Nanty Glo, Pa
I remember from that JDM Ralliart Post from 2-3 months back that the housings were different... oriented for RHD.
Joe is there anyway to get a powerful HID system that will actually be as good as if it came stock?
Joe is there anyway to get a powerful HID system that will actually be as good as if it came stock?
Originally Posted by Rydog
from what i've read about the stock Ralliart headlights, they're already ready for HID's since it's the same housing as the Japan models, which have HID's as an option from the factory. I even got them to get me part numbers on the ballasts and everything. it was insano expensive which is why i didn't do it, but basically the stock headlight housings are set up for HID, meaning there won't be any need for a glare sheild or whatever you wanna call it.
werd.
werd.
I'll take night shots and post them if anyone wants to see them.
HID kit in OEM Housing. Look at the glare!
BMW ZKW Bi-Xenon projectors retro'd in to OEM Housing.
Nice Sharp Cutoff. Very little light about teh cutoff line.
Retro in progress. Test Fitting Everything.
OEM Reflector Bowl. Designed for halogen only!
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From: Nanty Glo, Pa
do you guys have High Beams? I'm in a very Dear-Centric area and My routes usually take me deep woods... You know... like... Deliverance. Nvm.
Can you guys do a step by step on making the HID housings and what parts to use, I'd like to keep my high beams and i'll buy another set of housings for this project. I'm just tired of barely being able to see with even my sylvania silverstars.
i would like to hit the 6000k to 8500K region in color contrasts. Thanks guys.
Can you guys do a step by step on making the HID housings and what parts to use, I'd like to keep my high beams and i'll buy another set of housings for this project. I'm just tired of barely being able to see with even my sylvania silverstars.
i would like to hit the 6000k to 8500K region in color contrasts. Thanks guys.
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6000 to 8500K??? if what you are looking for is light output, then, those are the wrong k. 4100-4300K is sunlight temperture and that's the temp setting you want. the higher you go up, the less output you are shooting out.
if you want to keep high beams, get a bi-xenon projectors which has high and low beams. that are a little bit more than single xenon which only have low beams. i have audi 6 projectors in my ralliart headlight which are low beam only.
go to hidplanet.com and visit the forum. that's where i learn most if not all my info from. if you have questions, ask those guys. they are very helpfull!!!! not, only just that.....you have slowryd and myself for Q&A. i'm more than happy to do a retro for you. just PM and we can discuss.
if you want to keep high beams, get a bi-xenon projectors which has high and low beams. that are a little bit more than single xenon which only have low beams. i have audi 6 projectors in my ralliart headlight which are low beam only.
go to hidplanet.com and visit the forum. that's where i learn most if not all my info from. if you have questions, ask those guys. they are very helpfull!!!! not, only just that.....you have slowryd and myself for Q&A. i'm more than happy to do a retro for you. just PM and we can discuss.
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Originally Posted by BLKRalliArt04
Post some info in the NOOB thread if you could
Slightly O/T, but perhaps the "N00B" thread needs renaming...retro-fitting your current light setup to accomodate HID is hardly a n00b question to ask.
Originally Posted by Azure
Slightly O/T, but perhaps the "N00B" thread needs renaming...retro-fitting your current light setup to accomodate HID is hardly a n00b question to ask.
Doing a retro is not a N00b thing but the topic of HID's the right and wrong way is. it seems to be asked every few weeks and the same discussions come up everytime.
diamond: yes i have High beams still, although mine are not currently hooked up. i'm getting ready to rework my retro once again and didn't hook them up the last time.
zeof is right about HIDplanet.com, without those guys i would have never been able to do my retro. that reminds me i need to check back in there, it's been a while.