Okay, one of you guys must have found an aftermarket ignition system by now. I've found the c2di from AEM but don't know if it's compatible with the RA... Sooooo..

Let's hear what you guys (or grrls) have found out.

Thanks,

AMG

 

Its not directly, but it can be adapted pretty easily. I know on the earlier Lancers the coils were essentially the same as the Evo coils, you might want to check out the HKS-DLI-II or the XS Engineering Ignition amplifier, they are plug and play units for the Evo8 however if the connectors and wiring on the coils are the shared with the ralliart and evo, you can more than likely get it to work. Of course, you can also do the typical Evo upgrade which is a coil on plug set of coils, or a pair MSD blaster twin tower coils and some 2G DSM plug wires, and hook it up with the AEM C2DI.

I prefer plug and play setups because you can swap back to stock if needed.

Hope this helps, though forgive me if its completely irrelevent since I own an Evo not a Ralliart.

 

The ralliart has no plug wires each spark plug has it's own coil. I doubt the evo is the same?

 

Ok.. I was trying to figure out if the new head was similar to the earlier one which shared the same coils as the Evo.. on the Evo there are two coils, and two wires.. and each coil has a 3 pin connector on (v+, trigger, gnd)

 

it all has to be ECU driven im 95% sure the greddy emanage with ignition harness you can modify the timing maps with that. wont knwo till my car runs again if itll work on our cars hehe

Thanks
Tory

 

I think he wants a CDI ignition system and not exactly just the control over the ignition timing.. However if you do want to control your timing, the MSD-DIS series allows that, combine it with an S-AFC and you have pretty good control over most of what you need.

 

Just got home a little while ago from dynoing the Ralliart. running about 150hp/150lbs.... Found out I'm running rich on the top end so an AFC will have to be squeezed in there somewhere, (can't be losing a couple of ponies can I?) but the main problem with an MSD DIS system is that there's a coil and I'm guessing the ignitor on each plug. I've never seen anything like it before. It looks like a second set of injectors without the fuel rail!!! I'm not opposed to setting up another complete ignition system (coils and wires with a DIS) but how do I get my signal to the DIS?!?!?! Distributor, been there. Coil packs? No problem! How in the world do I set this one up? I have a budget so 4 separate coils aint likely to happen. That's why I was looking at the C2DI. Hell that might not even be the right model number. I got excited at work when I saw some SEMA article in HCI this month. It was from AEM but it honestly doesn't look like the box AEM has pictured... The photo from HCI had 2 twin post coils and a receptacle on it that looked similar to 1 of my coils hookup. I just don't believe that I can plug one and control all 4 if you know what I mean. I hope I'm not wasting your time here, this is something that could help all the RA folks wether they run N2O or not. More spark is more power (potential at least).

Thanks,

AMG

Gotta go see my Hero now (Ron "the hedgehog" Jeremy) it's been a couple years and my sister wants an autograph this time!!! She used to manage a video store out in Wentzville some time ago and knew more of his movies than I did!!!!

Thanks again

 

Not totally familiar with the Ralliart ECU, but I do know that if the coils have their ignitors built in and either the stock ECU is 2 channel or 4 channel, if its 2 channel then it fires 2 coils at once (Wasted spark), if its 4 channel, then its firing only the plug on the ignition stroke.

There are several 2 and 4 channel systems out there.. the C2DI has up to 4 channels input, and 2 channels output, the MSD offerings are a little nicer if you want to also control the timing, the AEM and HKS units are popular because many of the Evo owners are already controlling ignition timing through reflashes, piggybacks, or standalones and the timing features are redundant and unecessary.

If you can take a good picture of the coils on the plugs, and the connector, I can tell you likely what they are. But if its 2 pin connectors, its likely got the (2 2channel) igniters located somewhere on the firewall running in a wasted spark config) if its 3 pin connectors, then its probably got built in ignitors.

Since this is a ralliart your talking about, its a newer generation motor so I'm not sure if the ECU has been significantly revised (MIVEC featurses right?) if its a brand new ECU, it may provide 4 channel ignition, but my experience with Mitsubishis is they usually use 1 coil for every 2 plugs, or at least run a wasted spark configuration.

 

1.ignition Coil Connectors
2.ignition Coils
3.spark Plugs

Just trying to help here guys but you have totally lost me

 

Sorry Adam, I'm just trying to find the cheapest way to control my timing so I can safely run a 75 wet shot... But I figure that everyone, NA/Turbo or N2O could benefit from an upgraded ignition system. Plus it's just strange to not have spark plug wires! It's fun to get the Autozone guys running around trying to find a set, but it just seems un-natural to me. Too much critical stuff is being run by the box, which means that much more stuff to stop working at once if it goes bad! I love my little car, but I started with a 81Citation X-11 back in 1990 guys... The computer controlled the idiot lights and not much more then! FI is a great idea, but give me a crank triggered distributor any day.

Thanks for the diagram though!!!

AMG

 

Okay I ranted about this in another forum but I guess it belongs here instead. To hell with AEM c2di and MSD. I just bought an eManage with the injector and ignition harness. I'll have to borrow a laptop and buy the CD for the tools unless Adrenaline allready has them. That should give me plenty of adjustment room, all for less than 1/2 what an AEM stand alone would. I've even found a place selling Field harness adaptors (thanks trbo dad ) so I don't have to splice into the factory wiring. This should work for anyone buying an RRM piggyback or AFC too. It's for an EVO but somewhere on these forums someone said the ecu pin connectors where the same on the ralliart! I guess if enough of us got together and did a group buy we could get them for less than the $169 they're selling them for. Anyone want to host one? I'm a noob (to the forum at least) so I'd understand if you didn't want me to host it. To be honest I'd rather not take responsibility!!! Here's the link if someone wants to check it out.

http://www.quantum-racing.com/cgi-bi...ine+Management

If you want host a group buy just make sure to let me know!!! We could probably get the ups and downs in on this as well (EVO, OZ, ES, LS) I need it by the end of march either way!

Let's do it!

AMG