I'ld tell you wall, but Rock would kill me ... its our R&D, and we wont give it away till we bite the dust... trust me Canada Guys like Widebody tried.

 

I'm just curious... you guys are selling a turbo kit, for people to install on their street vehicles, but you don't want to divulge how exactly you're controlling the timing?

Isn't that information that buyers should have a right to know?

If the kit is good, people will buy it on its merits and on the strength of the customer service provided. Full disclosure of how your kit modifies the factory engine controls should be part of the deal. I'm not suggesting that you share your mapping with anyone, as that is obviously your intellectual property, but the methods by which the changes are being implemented should be part of the basic kit information. "Piggyback" is not exactly an information-rich description.

Thanks for your efforts on this kit though, it's good to see support for this vehicle. Kudos to RRM.

 

If we gave away that kind of information; other vendors would steal our hard work... all you need to know is that this kit is tested and proven and our reputation followed by our customer satisfaction should be enough to convice you.

 

IMHO...not to start a beef with anyone, but RRM=great products...not so great customer service from what i've seen. :\

 

HAHAHA

 

like i said before. its VVT. almost every car in our class has it. and almost all of them have been turbo'd and have had the timing adjusted. the only hard part is having an electronic device to take the output from our sensors as inputs, process this input appropriately (the maps), and produce the propper output for the appropriate sensors....and all the wiring involved.

for timing (off the top of my newb head), essentially:

1) read RPM sesnsor, MAP sensor, MAF sensor, cam position sensor and AFR
2) process readings in a closed-loop system
3) send output to injectors and ignition system at according to sensor values.

So the big missing part is #2, which is the software and data maps.

The other part is what values the sensors output and how (voltage, ampage and ranges) and what inputs the other devices (injectors and ignition) operate on. We can figure this part out out (its all in my service manual) but applying it to an existing EMU like an emanage may be tricky, as our sensor outputs obviously dont match the emanage inputs.

the other alternative is to make a custom EMU (like RRM did /w split second) to handle all this.

answering the questions about how you interacted with he sensors output isnt giving away anything important, and i think thats the part that most people have been fighting with. I think Split second did most of the electronics, which is why we havnt gotten many answers (we are not asking split second).

am i on the right track?

 

they do not have to tell that.... [joking]if they do not have a pattent[joking]... i know for a fact that the piggyback works even if i do not have it myself,
i know who has it where i live, that is enough for me..... i do not need it because i use other stuff -do not get me started-
is all about faith and most of the people have it in them; i do and i only bought from them one.....
in conclusion the disclosure of the modification is up to them as masterminds and owners of the kit and the map....

 

In my sig you'll see I've bought a lot of stuff from RRM...
While it's not a turbo it's still things that could have easily not fit right, one tiny thing wrong & you're MAKING things fit... RRM does not do that to you, you won't have to MAKE things fit...
Their CS should not be in question IMHO!!!

To keep this on topic ask some questions to people in the Lancer Forced Induction Forums... I know a close personal friend who's turbo'd through RRM and even though he moved on to a bigger kit they've helped him all the way to 308whp on an 02 OZ Rally...

They've done too much for Lancer's for CS to even be in question...

 

for those not very good at english

IMHO??? what does it mean?

 

In my honest opinion

 

thank you

 

we try and try to make Customer Service our #1 priority... have a problem... give us a call and we will try our best to solve it... thanks

 

werd...

 

 

^^ That's the funniest thing i've seen in a long friggin time!!