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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Darewood
Does Hackish have the software out finally? Or is it still not ready?
It's not "ready" but talk to Hackish , he won't brush you aside

Originally Posted by Ralliartize It
This is the cog in the wheels. Then you need to know how to tune with the damn thing. Also don't forget you need a wideband for AFR monitoring.


$$$$$...then you add more parts....then re-tune...$$$$$...then you can't do any more to the car, then you sell it and buy a Genesis like Flip did.

What's a cog in the wheels, is it worse than a flat?

And the term "can't do anymore to the car" is thrown around to much lately. I think it be worded as "I'm unwilling to surpass the rest on account of lack of *****" that sounds better. (not directed at you Roy , just in general) Also I'm NOT impressed by the genesis , a turbo'd RA would trounce it.

4k for a turbo kit > raped on trade in, higher insurance, monthly payments, having to start all over {thumbdown}
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:26 AM
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I still don't get the "thing" with the magic black box that RRM sells that supposed to change timing

Any buttdyno experts can give their input on the $300 box?


ON TOPIC: Get a CAI and since your almost done with "bolt on" things maybe work the head
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lanzerralliart
Also I'm NOT impressed by the genesis , a turbo'd RA would trounce it.
i'll let you know

myself, i plan to find out what the stock block will handle...will we see "cranswick's 4G69 build phase 3"? it's quite likely And hackish is the key...
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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by lanzerralliart
Also I'm NOT impressed by the genesis , a turbo'd RA would trounce it.
I beg to differ. Unless your planing to cherry pick on a stocker 2.0 Genesis with a 310hp RA....
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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CrAnSwIcK
i'll let you know

myself, i plan to find out what the stock block will handle...will we see "cranswick's 4G69 build phase 3"? it's quite likely And hackish is the key...
300whp has been done at around 12 psi If I remember correctly it might of been 10psi :/

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I beg to differ. Unless your planing to cherry pick on a stocker 2.0 Genesis with a 310hp RA....
I was picturing a stock genesis vs a Hackish turbo kit ra , regardless the genesis is much more costly than turboing the ra. And low cost is what the op was aiming for.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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according to wikipedia: the first gen 2.0T genesis coupe makes 210hp with 10psi, most likely not at the wheels, and weighs 3,200lbs...

a 4G69 can make 250hp at the wheels on 7-8psi and weighs just under 3,000lbs...so when i'm fully tuned at 9psi, i think i shouldn't have a problem with a stock genesis coupe 2.0T, but like any stock turbo car, a boost controller and some bigger injectors is too easy of an upgrade so long as you can tune it well...

the new generation genesis coupe 2.0T, however is supposed to be closer to 270hp, according to wikipedia, which is the same ballpark as the new generation lancer ralliart, which makes sense since the engine is pretty much the same, but comes with an optional 6 speed transmission. which will probably make some new Ralliart owners jealous...the new genesis looks pretty good too, R-Spec model comes with an LSD, brembo brakes, and performance suspension... the sedan has an optional V8...

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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:58 AM
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Saw a stock 2.0T Genesis on a Mustang Dyno over the weekend...crapped out at 171HP to the rear wheels. Not impressive by any means.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CrAnSwIcK
according to wikipedia: the first gen 2.0T genesis coupe makes 210hp with 10psi, most likely not at the wheels, and weighs 3,200lbs...

a 4G69 can make 250hp at the wheels on 7-8psi and weighs just under 3,000lbs...so when i'm fully tuned at 9psi, i think i shouldn't have a problem with a stock genesis coupe 2.0T, but like any stock turbo car, a boost controller and some bigger injectors is too easy of an upgrade so long as you can tune it well...

the new generation genesis coupe 2.0T, however is supposed to be closer to 270hp, according to wikipedia, which is the same ballpark as the new generation lancer ralliart, which makes sense since the engine is pretty much the same, but comes with an optional 6 speed transmission. which will probably make some new Ralliart owners jealous...the new genesis looks pretty good too, R-Spec model comes with an LSD, brembo brakes, and performance suspension... the sedan has an optional V8...

Yea the '13 will have ~270hp and LSD. Current 2.0T's at 15-18psi are at 235-248hp. I know the RA is a beast when boosted. A friend of mine had an 05 RA and had ~350hp @ 13psi, he has a topic here on the board somewhere. The Genesis is RWD and to be fair with a reflash and some more boost it will beat the extra 2k-3k gone into the RA.

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Saw a stock 2.0T Genesis on a Mustang Dyno over the weekend...crapped out at 171HP to the rear wheels. Not impressive by any means.
Mustang dynos don't tend to give impressive numbers, hence the heartbreakers dyno. Taking the 171hp thats near the 15% from hp to whp so its on par with the 15% loss from 210hp. A stock RA on a dyno taking a 15% loss would give ~130hp. Also taking the 15% is a lot, its usually a bit less for sticks. Anyway it's a rule of thumb.

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Old May 4, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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not sure what kind of dyno Brent's car was on, but he put down 241 on 7psi...
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Old May 4, 2012 | 02:42 PM
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You wanna talk about Heartbreaker dyno, my RA put down 150/150 on a Dyno Dynamics. That's the real killer there.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 07:38 PM
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That's why you should always stick going to the same dyno. It's just mainly to measure gains and tune . DynoJet's usually tend to give numbers that people are happy with. Change dyno and you lose track of gains. Anyway you don't win races in the rollers of a dyno so peak hp competitions are fail if your car sucks when launching at the xmas tree
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Old May 4, 2012 | 10:32 PM
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Well I'm glad to see everyone's input thus far. First off...what was the reasons Ralliartize It for a"new" Delta Cam release. What changes are being made verse yours you have now? This is one remaining performance part I would be interested in due to the much lower cost than what RPW sells one for $623.43.

Has anyone ever looked into the Fuel Rail that RPW has (http://www.rpw.com.au) for $260?

Lanzerralliart (and everyone else) I understand what your saying about the SRI. I'll have to see if maybe I can extend or like Ralliartize It stated about reinstalling the factory tube to direct better cool air. If all else fails, I can always hunt down a CAI.

I'm just not ready to jump to the Hackish tune yet. But I have thought about this down the line.

Doing the DIY rear engine mount is not a bad idea. That is one thing I could get done fairly easy.

I have pondered lowing springs, however, I have been leaning towards Tein H. Tech's. The roads in my area are pretty nasty. I think just a small drop with some performance built in would be better than the S. Tech's. Coilovers would be great, but for a good set we are talking 900 - 1000+. Recently from front struts and bearing were bad and had them replaced with monroe to tied me over. And yes, when it gets to tires, I understand what your saying. As soon as these tires wear out I"m switching to a new tire!

I do have an auto...so I have also pondered the RRM Tranny cooler kit for $199. I thought
installing this couldn't hurt me at all.

As for other body items, I have thought about body wrap (black or carbon fiber) on my roof only. Also to install a Vortex Gen (black or carbon fiber) to go with my short ant. Brighter led lights is a good idea as we
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Old May 5, 2012 | 02:51 AM
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Don't waste your money on an aftermarket fuel rail. Ours has plenty of flow for n/a and even turbo. The Evo 7-9 fuel rail is identical to ours except theirs has an inlet on both ends.

And you can make your own DIY trans cooler kit for cheaper , everything you need can be had at your local autoparts store

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Old May 5, 2012 | 04:04 AM
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Swifts are just an overall better spring than Teins. Fact. as for the Delta Cam, there's another thread on here with world of information. I won't pollute this thread.
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Old May 5, 2012 | 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by lanzerralliart
It's not "ready" but talk to Hackish , he won't brush you aside




What's a cog in the wheels, is it worse than a flat?

And the term "can't do anymore to the car" is thrown around to much lately. I think it be worded as "I'm unwilling to surpass the rest on account of lack of *****" that sounds better. (not directed at you Roy , just in general) Also I'm NOT impressed by the genesis , a turbo'd RA would trounce it.

4k for a turbo kit > raped on trade in, higher insurance, monthly payments, having to start all over {thumbdown}
i know this is off topic but im on the fence about the 2.0 genisis since it does share the block of the rallairts i would think with a rebuild or new head over the hyundai one and some 4b11 parts u could have a pretty decent little car
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