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Old Mar 14, 2013 | 08:08 AM
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Its hard to tel lform thoese pictures and the remanders that was even a TOB :P
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RallyartRob
Its hard to tel lform thoese pictures and the remanders that was even a TOB :P
Lol, when I heard the noise, I actually thought the bearing went through the pressure plate. It was horrible...

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if it was the TOB, it should make the noise regardless of whether it's in gear or neutral...
Here, you say it doesn't matter if it's in neutral or not for the TOB, and I agree.

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my question is if the noise is not present in neutral, how is it the release bearing? that makes no sense...
While it's unclear because of the construction of your sentence, you seem to say it cannot be the TOB if the noise isn't present in neutral. Look, I'm not making things up here, either you are lost or have problems expressing yourself correctly, but you are saying two opposite things in 2 consecutive posts...
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by xmaster19
While it's unclear because of the construction of your sentence, you seem to say it cannot be the TOB if the noise isn't present in neutral. Look, I'm not making things up here, either you are lost or have problems expressing yourself correctly, but you are saying two opposite things in 2 consecutive posts...
what are you going on about? those two posts i quote are saying the exact same thing... the guy said his friend thought it was the TOB, when they drove it on the hoist, but only in gear. that's when i said it couldn't be the TOB cause it makes no difference whether you're in gear or not, with the clutch engaged the bearing is just sitting there doing nothing. i also asked if it goes away when he releases the clutch, and he said it did which means when you disconnect the input shaft from the flywheel the noise stops...again, likely not the TOB, so i then suggested moving down the line and checking the transmission drive train.

if we were having this conversation in person i would have walked away by now...you're not understanding what i'm saying, that's fine, i'm trying to help the OP find a solution, and you're trying to call me out on how a clutch works when i know quite well how a clutch works...
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 07:26 PM
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Here, you say it doesn't matter if it's in neutral or not for the TOB, and I agree.

I disagree if were saying the same thing we might be talking to different ideas.

I had a damaged throw out bearing as well not as bad as your but still when i did remove it i was able to just rotate it in my fingers and feel all the pits and cracks in the races. My noise only ever came when i pressed the clutch tho, i never had noise at any rpm gear or neutral.
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Old Mar 15, 2013 | 08:39 PM
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lol.. god damnit...

the OP said on a hoist his car was making the noise in gear but not in neutral, and his friend thought it was the TOB...it doesn't matter what gear, or if it's in gear or neutral, it's not the TOB if it stops in neutral or when you disengage the clutch...that's what i've been saying...i never said i thought it was the TOB, i ruled that out when the noise stopped when he presses the clutch pedal...

Rob, i know what you're saying, a fubar TOB will make all sorts of racket when in use...mine however, before i replaced it would rattle ever so slightly, but when i pushed the clutch pedal just a hair, not even disengaging the clutch it would stop, when i took the tranny off, the TOB fell into as many pieces as it was made of...lol, which is weird cause it didn't make any noise while it was actually in use...
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Old Mar 16, 2013 | 02:20 PM
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The TOB should immediately engage the pressure plate as soon as you apply pressure to the clutch pedal. It barely disengages when your foot is not on the clutch.
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by xmaster19
The TOB should immediately engage the pressure plate as soon as you apply pressure to the clutch pedal. It barely disengages when your foot is not on the clutch.
that's what i'm saying, the slightest pressure against the PP springs, not even close to enough pressure/travel to even let the clutch slip, and it would stopped rattling...it wasn't like a major fubar noise, and i could only hear it at idle. On the other hand i've heard other people's TOB's and it sounds terrible, like it's about to explode any minute. and it primarily noisy while in use...

I'm still not sure what LncrRA's noise is caused by, i'm still waiting for em' to post a video

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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by CrAnSwIcK
lol.. god damnit...

the OP said on a hoist his car was making the noise in gear but not in neutral, and his friend thought it was the TOB...it doesn't matter what gear, or if it's in gear or neutral, it's not the TOB if it stops in neutral or when you disengage the clutch...that's what i've been saying...i never said i thought it was the TOB, i ruled that out when the noise stopped when he presses the clutch pedal...

Rob, i know what you're saying, a fubar TOB will make all sorts of racket when in use...mine however, before i replaced it would rattle ever so slightly, but when i pushed the clutch pedal just a hair, not even disengaging the clutch it would stop, when i took the tranny off, the TOB fell into as many pieces as it was made of...lol, which is weird cause it didn't make any noise while it was actually in use...
yeah i know as soon as the bearing get s a bit of damage its insane the noises youll hear,

im just trying to add that it is also possible for a tob to be damaged but not make noises when its disengaged but only when its being engaged, or my car was just the one random one that had to be different :P
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Old Mar 17, 2013 | 09:01 AM
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Sorry, I've been quite busy, ill try to make the video today, however its going to be hard to here because I'm quite childish and therefore have a loud exhaust with no resonator
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 08:38 AM
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I tried making videos a few times, you can't hear it on the videos... It has to be some bearing because when I'm driving at say 60 kph, and im not accellerating, I can here a noise that sounds like a bearing that's spun, ill try and mount the cam near my engine today and see if that works any better
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 01:25 PM
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my weird noise was one of two bearings, but i could only hear it under load...with the wheels off the ground it didn't make the noise...
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Old Mar 18, 2013 | 05:10 PM
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The noise was really quiet without load, my friend used a stethoscope and listened to the tranny while i drove at various speeds, said it was coming from the clutch area, suggested throw out bearing. Either way my clutch is on the way from RTM (expecting within a few days) once i have that ill have a tranny place rip it open and take a look. I have no space to do so myself unfortunately. Not sure how much theyre guna charge for the labour of all that... but hopefully not too much, a clutch on the RA should be under 4 hrs... 5 max.... IMO at least. Ill see how that goes.
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 08:23 AM
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when are you getting the clutch? I'll be back in Canada on friday, i'm busy this weekend, but maybe the long weekend we could meet up and i'll give you a hand...maybe we could even get a shop...
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by CrAnSwIcK
when are you getting the clutch? I'll be back in Canada on friday, i'm busy this weekend, but maybe the long weekend we could meet up and i'll give you a hand...maybe we could even get a shop...
I just picked it up last night from ups, its sitting in my bedroom at the moment. But yeah that could work,
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Old Mar 21, 2013 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LncrRA
I just picked it up last night from ups, its sitting in my bedroom at the moment. But yeah that could work,
hey man! im going to Trenton too so maybe we can all go together? thatd be pretty fun. what do you guys think?
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