come on man.. is the SAME thing

 

Yup, same size engine bay and all. But I can understand partly why somebody would do it in an es, the things cost about 6 grand less and have no *** to them whatsoever. If i had a car with 120 hp and I knew I was stuck with it for awhile, and I had an extra ten grand or so that I could pull out of my ***, (or my parents', which i am pretty sure his parents paid for that swap) I would have THOUGHT of something similar. Actually....no i wouldnt, I would've just bought a whole new damn car in the first place To do an engine swap like that for only ten grand, thats awfully cheap and nearly unrealistic. Considering it costs nearly a thousand bucks just to change a timing belt.

 

yep i know what you mean... lol

 

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Well, all in all, I think I would never put 10K$ in an ES to end up with a very powerful engine... but then still not be able to handle the most basic of off ramps at a decent speed. What's the fun in that? Then again, some people go out and buy SRT-4s and Cobalt SS' too...

And about that V6 swap... I'm with r3z0nate on this one. Why would you want to transform your (decently handling) RA into a front heavy pig? Same result as the ES getting an EVo engine: A lot more power... but nowhere to use it but on the drag strip or racing Civics at the light. Pathetic life for a car that was born with some nice balance to it... Even with stiffer springs and dampners (I wonder where you'd get the ideal compression rate for our car though???), the car would still fell way too heavy in the front everytime you hit a curb. That's the perfect recipe for any domestic V6 sedan out there... and you don't see me rushing to the GM dealership now, do you???

Turbo the damn thing for crying out loud! Or if you want to stand out from the crowd, call RIPP about getting this SC under your hood... they'll be more than happy to sell it to you, and there's but a handful of guys running this kind of setup in the whole Lancer community.

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if u have the money/time jst about anything is possible...the question is what are u willin 2 give

 

For an evo engine in my RA? My left nut... It just sits there anyway, hopefully the right one holds up though

 

well almost the same thing, thats like saying the mirage and lancers are the same, because i know about 4-5 people that have done the evo swap on the mirage, but i wouldnt count that as a lancer swap.

 

you might as well buy the best evo you can because if you sell a nut i heard you get anywhere from $50k to $75k for one ********

 

I think you guys are overly exaggerating this weight issue. I know people that have the Evo swap in their Mirages and the front weight bias is not as bad as you make it seem. With some nice TEINs or some other adj. suspension, and good suspension mods, you can achieve as good handling or better than the stock motor.

 

if anybody is going to buy an evo for 50-75k$ even if its like a 1000AWHP,,,,,,they should have the other ******** fed to them. yap. thats the daddy

 

The 2.0l is not that heavy... the V6 is. And yes, if you add too much weight to the front of the car, no suspension mod can magically make it disapear. As you already know, the weight distribution on a FWD car is crappy... adding to the problem can only make the handling worst.

That's why mid-mounted engines make a car handle so well... mosty companies use that configuration to achieve 50/50 weight distribution. That's also why a RWD configuration is not a bad thing, since the weight of the drive assembly (differential, shafts and so on) at the back balances part of the weight of the engine at the front.

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You make good points. Ideally, the weight bias in a FWD car would never be optimal compared to a mid-engine. I am just saying it is not as bad as people make it out to be. There is an Aussie Mirage running around with a 6A12 in it. Granted he does have unequal weight distribution, as would be expected, he is not experiencing any drastic loss of driveability as most on here would make it seem.

 

put the ES motor in your ralliart! Thats the way to go!, Why upgrade, downgrade!

 

nah' for get that lets put a rotary engine on it!!!

[puts flame suit on and sits on corner]

 

There is a difference between having original upgrades and having useful upgrades. If I install a couch on my trunk, would I be original? Oh yes. Would it make any sense? Well, maybe to a riceboy. The point here is this: for every upgrade, there is the "sweet, I'm the only one in town with this thing" factor, and there is also the "the enjoyment I get out of this upgrade is more than the money/effort I put in" factor. While the first one is not a requirement, the second one is. If you spend 5 grand on a super-original-custom-made-titanium-nuclear intake, would you be happy with it? Well, you'd be pretty happy that you're the only one in the world with it, but you'd be massivey unhappy when you realize that you could have gotten a real performance upgrade, i.e. turbo, for that money. So overall, you'd probably be happier with the 5 grand still in your pocket. Similarly, if you spend any significant amount of money on any upgrade, whether or not it is original will not (or should not) be a priority. The second factor, the reward vs. the payment, is the important factor.

To bring out an example, would you rather spend 15K on a new car and 10-15K on dropping a new engine in it, or buy a used performance car for 20-25K and spend 5K on upgrades? Common sense would suggest that you would go for the latter - it would cost the same, if not less, and you will get more bang for your buck, so to speak. Therefore, the only conclusion as I see it is that people who buy sh!tboxes and spend lots of money to make them go fast are going against common sense. They are doing it because they value originality MUCH more than pure performance-per-dollar. If you have lots and lots of money, the of course your dollar valuation is extremely low, so it's easy to see how that can work in that case. However, for the vast majority of us, it would not make much sense to pour a lot of money into something like that. Yes, it'll be cool for a while, but in 2 years, when your $25,000 investment blows up and your warranty is non-existant, will you spend another 5-10K fixing it?

There will always be Geos with 5.0's in them. People who create those Frankensteins don't do it for performance, they do it for fun; they do it to show that it can be done, and they have the money and time (and skill) to blow on a project like that. A Ralliart with a 3.8 V6 can be done by somebody somewhere; the question is, of course, why. For performance? Probably not, you can get 260+ HP with the stock engine and a bunch of mods that cost less that 10K. Originality? Sure. All we gotta do is wait for someone who thinks that a V6 in a Ralliart is original enough to justify spending whatever it will cost to accomplish it. Orginal author of thread - I don't think you will be it.