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prices won't go down that much what kind of speed do u really want!? u want a 300HP car? a 400 ? or 500 +? if u just have thirst for speed...why don't u buy an old cheap car with good aftermarket support to make easy 400 HP...I say stay with the RA the difference isn't enough brakes? u r not going circuit with it...tranny yeah lots of spin get good tires, lsd and learn to launch no good after 500hp he is right but after 500hp u should get something else...ecu!? for real power u always need ecu upgrade...even if u flash an evo ecu it's not the same as installing stand alone...so in the end is what u want and how much u want to spend...forget about kits too go custom u always get more $$$ for each HP u gain.
how would you suggest i get an RA to 500 hp? forget that, even 400?
To get 400hp you need money.... a great tuning house and did I mention money
I think if you were to achieve 400hp then you will lose everyday driveability meaning the car may not be street friendly as it is now - this of course is just my thoughts and I may be wrong it may be achievable
400hp you will need turbo probably a GT35 much better pistons and rods the engine will need to be decompressed down to say 8:5.1 and you should be able to push 15psi up to 19psi you will definately need a great cam shaft... then there is the issue with suspenssion you will need better engine mounts - possibly coilovers a LSD various tie bars swaybars etc plus a great ECU to help handle all of this I would allow a budget of $15k if getting someone else to build it for you... is it worthwhile I think yes it is worthwhile - sure evo's have awd but they are also much heavier than the R.A the only real advantage that the evo has over the R.A is the awd - traction is everything but you can even up the playing field with a well sorted and tuned suspenssion it won't be as good but it will solve a lot of issues
I think if you were to achieve 400hp then you will lose everyday driveability meaning the car may not be street friendly as it is now - this of course is just my thoughts and I may be wrong it may be achievable
400hp you will need turbo probably a GT35 much better pistons and rods the engine will need to be decompressed down to say 8:5.1 and you should be able to push 15psi up to 19psi you will definately need a great cam shaft... then there is the issue with suspenssion you will need better engine mounts - possibly coilovers a LSD various tie bars swaybars etc plus a great ECU to help handle all of this I would allow a budget of $15k if getting someone else to build it for you... is it worthwhile I think yes it is worthwhile - sure evo's have awd but they are also much heavier than the R.A the only real advantage that the evo has over the R.A is the awd - traction is everything but you can even up the playing field with a well sorted and tuned suspenssion it won't be as good but it will solve a lot of issues
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It's all fun and games in theory, but when you hear the price tag + every other thing that needs to go into it, its upsetting 
On a brighter note, if you have money and don't give two hoots, then go for your life!
On a brighter note, if you have money and don't give two hoots, then go for your life!
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heres the plan.
were gonna rob a bank, and we will all get turbos!
well this is why i debate the evo,
(this thread is gonna be 12 mths of me whining about what to do... i dont want that)
I kinda want to turbo the car, but with all these things i know little to nothing about...
and 4100$ and *sigh*
im gonna go breathe into a paper bag for 10 minutes and make a new reply.
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i have too many ideas running through my head,
and finals and final projects...
12 months is a long *** time.
heres the game plan.
drive my car for the summer,
and if some parts go on sale in the private section that will make
the RA go faster,
then they will go on the car....
so far mods are
filled motor mounts
CAI (rrm)
UDP
neon lights
short throw kit
next on the list would be either exhaust or headers...
so im back to square one...
HAHA i need a
someone do the thinking for me.
and finals and final projects...
12 months is a long *** time.
heres the game plan.
drive my car for the summer,
and if some parts go on sale in the private section that will make
the RA go faster,
then they will go on the car....
so far mods are
filled motor mounts
CAI (rrm)
UDP
neon lights
short throw kit
next on the list would be either exhaust or headers...
so im back to square one...
HAHA i need a
someone do the thinking for me.
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again...what do u want!? more hp is always money...lots of money!!....turbo ur RA...go custom for good results with less money...find help and a good mechanic...u don't want to worry bout breaking parts...stay in safe area...safe boost safe gas safe everything...including racing when its wet...then just get ur turbo RA...prepare suspension and get a good ecu tuned...10 psi and blam u get ur 270+ hp car that will be a good street car...in the end...how much money u want to spend!? 5k or 10k?
If I got the 5 or 10 k I would turbo my RA that's the thinking for u...I would do it custom and I'm pretty sure I would get some real good numbers with stock internals as I have done proper testing and I think the engine may be capable of more than just 12 o 13 psi...for ecu...go for stand alone and leave stock ecu for mivec...
If I got the 5 or 10 k I would turbo my RA that's the thinking for u...I would do it custom and I'm pretty sure I would get some real good numbers with stock internals as I have done proper testing and I think the engine may be capable of more than just 12 o 13 psi...for ecu...go for stand alone and leave stock ecu for mivec...
It can be a bit of a head spin... but the reality of it is this type of project is not going to happen over night anyway... get the turbo kit bolt it on and move on from there... immediately after you have the turbo bolted on you will have yourself at least 230hp atw - enjoy the car while it is like this and then look at the next lot of mods to do which may be suspenssion or LSD then after that move onto something else like a engine rebuild which are the things I mentioned before cam rods and decompression then you might do the next thing which is to upgrade the turbo itself or you may not you may feel that you are very happy with what you have..
Over the years I have seen so many people screaming out for more big hp numbers and limiting themselves to a certain number in your case you say you want 400hpatw which is a massive amount of hp in a light weight chassis and may well be too much car for you but as youare building your car up stage at a time you might get to 300hp and say well I am really happy with this car it is doing everything that I want it to be... the other advantage in doing it stage by stage is that you feel the differences in were the power is and how the car handles and you get to know when it is time to stop modifying.
Modifying a car from something as humble as our cars and turning it into something completely different is very rewarding
Over the years I have seen so many people screaming out for more big hp numbers and limiting themselves to a certain number in your case you say you want 400hpatw which is a massive amount of hp in a light weight chassis and may well be too much car for you but as youare building your car up stage at a time you might get to 300hp and say well I am really happy with this car it is doing everything that I want it to be... the other advantage in doing it stage by stage is that you feel the differences in were the power is and how the car handles and you get to know when it is time to stop modifying.
Modifying a car from something as humble as our cars and turning it into something completely different is very rewarding
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It can be a bit of a head spin... but the reality of it is this type of project is not going to happen over night anyway... get the turbo kit bolt it on and move on from there... immediately after you have the turbo bolted on you will have yourself at least 230hp atw - enjoy the car while it is like this and then look at the next lot of mods to do which may be suspenssion or LSD then after that move onto something else like a engine rebuild which are the things I mentioned before cam rods and decompression then you might do the next thing which is to upgrade the turbo itself or you may not you may feel that you are very happy with what you have..
Over the years I have seen so many people screaming out for more big hp numbers and limiting themselves to a certain number in your case you say you want 400hpatw which is a massive amount of hp in a light weight chassis and may well be too much car for you but as youare building your car up stage at a time you might get to 300hp and say well I am really happy with this car it is doing everything that I want it to be... the other advantage in doing it stage by stage is that you feel the differences in were the power is and how the car handles and you get to know when it is time to stop modifying.
Modifying a car from something as humble as our cars and turning it into something completely different is very rewarding
Over the years I have seen so many people screaming out for more big hp numbers and limiting themselves to a certain number in your case you say you want 400hpatw which is a massive amount of hp in a light weight chassis and may well be too much car for you but as youare building your car up stage at a time you might get to 300hp and say well I am really happy with this car it is doing everything that I want it to be... the other advantage in doing it stage by stage is that you feel the differences in were the power is and how the car handles and you get to know when it is time to stop modifying.
Modifying a car from something as humble as our cars and turning it into something completely different is very rewarding
but this all seems well and fine in words,
but like stated a few posts above,
is it more practical for me to go evo, (and money wise, make more sense)
or will this be more rewarding if i do this all myself and make the RA into a mean machine.
I guess i need to start looking at parts. i should probably work on the exhaust first, then brakes if im going to do this car... or save my money if im thinking evo.
life is filled with tough choices.
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^ im also looking at EVO, the evo 3 in particular, found an awesome one for 25k, but there are alot of other things to consider, coz it needs to be a DD, and since it is an older car its reliabilty goes down, also insurance will be a *****(might go under parnet name if i do it), and also there are new laws coming into VIC where P platers cant drive with more than 125kw/tonne ratio(or something similar) and this puts out about 300hp ~ 225kw, to a 1260kg weight... =~ 180kw/tonne :S:S:S:S:S:S:S:S but i want it ssoooooooooo bad *insert cry here*
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you have some excellent points...
i just dunno if i want a done up car off the lot,
or if i want the sleeper RA...
granted... debadged trunk and turboing my car
people will assume that its an evo even more often.
wish it was an easy choice.
i also like getting my hands dirty when its for the hp.
makes me feel like ive accomplished something.
im sure you know what i mean... right?
Well i didn't get a chance to read ALL of this thread, but i'm under the impression you own the RA already since you have a mod list. Similar to my case, i'm only 20 though, is that i want to turbo my car and go as far as internals, but with that money i "could have bought an evo" but the thing is i own the RA now... That money is gone, if i sell my RA i'll get 11000$ tops, that with the 10G's i have for my car will get a me a decent used evo, but then i won't have anything for insurance and such with my bills and rent.
The more i sit down the more i agree with myself that going out and buying an evo would be a bad idea, i don't want to have to deal with payments because my RA was finally paid off as of last december, and well its nice just having daily bills and rent to pay only. Then again i'm in college and loans will kick in soon enough. Also keep in mind, RA's are pretty rare... you take a RA turbo' it and do it up nice, regardless of how fast/nice an evo is, you'll always get comments about your RA and its capabilities. I have a ton of evo owners in my neighborhood that comment about my RA while i comment about their evo's, although some evo owners hate us RA/Lancer models, its nice to hear something from out big bro's in a positive manner.
All-in-all i suggest you keep the RA, run a catted downpipe/header combo. Although i suggest getting a CBexhaust first, then get the DP combo. Also if you don't have an intake i suggest that before all those mods, but that's a personal opinion and that's also the path i took.
Good luck with your decisions.
-Lee
The more i sit down the more i agree with myself that going out and buying an evo would be a bad idea, i don't want to have to deal with payments because my RA was finally paid off as of last december, and well its nice just having daily bills and rent to pay only. Then again i'm in college and loans will kick in soon enough. Also keep in mind, RA's are pretty rare... you take a RA turbo' it and do it up nice, regardless of how fast/nice an evo is, you'll always get comments about your RA and its capabilities. I have a ton of evo owners in my neighborhood that comment about my RA while i comment about their evo's, although some evo owners hate us RA/Lancer models, its nice to hear something from out big bro's in a positive manner.
All-in-all i suggest you keep the RA, run a catted downpipe/header combo. Although i suggest getting a CBexhaust first, then get the DP combo. Also if you don't have an intake i suggest that before all those mods, but that's a personal opinion and that's also the path i took.
Good luck with your decisions.
-Lee
I have my RA and I am happy with it , even thou next year I will get an EVO too to have them both , I do love my car power curve what I hate about my car is it's ECU and also that my year does not came with sunroof that's all. I do think that the 4G69 engine can produce more HP than the EVO engine just because it has more displacement but it's internals are not that strong as the EVO internals.The EVO block has a lot of material between the cylinders to withstand pressure, the RA engine is hollow between the spaces. A similar thing happens with Nissans 240sx and Skylines SR20 engine the 2.4 stock engine needs a lot of money in forge internals to produce HP but the SR20 has stock forged internals and can withstand the abuse....