The charts will be posted very soon is not a microsoft excel's chart, but a real dyno charts. And Quantum, thank you for you opinion.

Cheers for your knowledge

 

Quantum - I don't know if you have ever tried going the custom route before but I HAVE and i'll tell you that its not cheaper. A Magnaflow muffler will be between $225 and $300 and the stainless steal piping will cost ya another 400 bucks plus labour and tax....plus your own time spent to go and wait.
Now, I understand what your saying about the profit curve, however, they're are variables that you can't take into account b/c you don't know...such as cost for materials...overhead...labour....and so fourth. I understand this b/c I run my own business as well....these are all things that also need to be considered when offering a product/service....not JUST supply and demand. But I'm sure you knew that.....

Mrauginas - What would be different in your cat back from the Ultimate Racing design? Theres too is a stainless steal design @ 2.5" yet they're numbers claimed are about 25-30 hp (fw) gain WITH the use of they're SRI as well. Its not that I don't disbelieve anything right now...its just that my experience w/ this company (essential speed) is that you have to pry for every little piece of information. You can't expect any consumer to drop the kind of money your asking for (for any of your products for that matter) w/o some proper and detailed info.
Having said that, it is nice to see that a company north of the border is stepping up to actually tune this car.

Mark

 

Mark, EssentialSpeed's Catback system basically simular with the ultimate racing. 2.5" 304ss construction with high flow cat. The differences are that Ultimat Racing using 304ss MagnaFlow Muffler, while EssentialSpeed using 304ss Vibrant Performance Muffler and Upgradeable to full titanium or Carbon Fiber. The pricing also different, Ultimate Racing sell their's for CAD1000 (Canadian Retail) and we sell ours' for CAD850. The HP different between the one from EssentialSpeed's and of Ultimate Racing is caused by the catalytic system, elbows and the flanges. Ours is more like for track whereas Ultimate Racing is more to the street. Of course our system will be a LITTLE louder (deeper).

 

Thank you. In any testing that you have done, was they're a noticable difference in the addition of the high flow cat? I am trying to decide if I should get a header and a HF cat or if I should just get a downpipe from RRM and leave the stock header.

Any advice/exp on that?

 

Mark, high flow cat make a huge huge different in HP and torque, however I don't think it is street legal in the States to play around with the catalytic converter. I came from Asia, back home, the stock GLXi Lancer (the lowest in lancer) equiped with 1.6L SOCH and freeflow 421' mandle elbows like our Catback system, however completely without the Catalytic converters earning 175Hp on the front wheel.

Some difficulties with Ralliart Header: To make our R&D turbo manifold for the 4g69, it took us about 1 month due to its strange shape on the right corner of the gasket. It would be the same difficulties with the header, I assume if there are any major manufactures make a header for Ralliart, it will cost a little more expensive that any regular performance header.

PS: Not to offend anyone out there but I am trully preffered Ultimate Racing much more than RRM. And of course, we think that our product's quality is better than them. email me and I will show you the proof first hand.

Cheers

 

I'm in Toronto...I'm pretty sure they're legal here...hehe

 

Great, so I assume you will be at the Meet this Saturday. I will show you what I am talking about.

 

I'll try and make it to the meet. I have to work till 6.

 

Thank you for being so civil. It's true I don't know all the costs involved in making one of the exhaust systems; for all I know it could be $600 in parts, labor, etc and you can't lower the price cause the profit curve is to small to even be considered. If that is the case I understand, but form a comsumer point of view...we have no idea how much your making on your products and honestly the low price high volume side of the curve is normaly ignored in businesses like this (compared to large corps who hire economists to actually map to place of highest profit for each product). So I'm sorry if I offended you or came on a bit brash, great job on being the better man. Best of luck in your business dealings.

 

Just one more thing for ya Quantum, take a look around and price out name brand systems from say....HKS, Injen, Greddy. They all are a bit more. Thank you for your understanding as well..

Mark

 

not really, ultimate racing's catback system with a resonator is only 520 bucks including shipping and handling, about 100 bucks cheaper than essential speed. But I would wait for the greddy exhaust guys, greddy owns, greddy's exhaust will be around 650 or same price as the essential speed, I rather go with the quality of company. Not trying to discourage you essential speed guys though, just putting in my 2 cents.

 

A well made exhaust is a well made exhaust, period. As long as the materials are of the same quality (piping, muffler, bends, hardware), an exhaust is an exhaust is an exhaust, etc...

If the Essential speed is of the same quality as the Greddy, then who the hell cares? I think too many people in the tuning scene are influenced by brand names, and will go around singing their praises without even paying attention to the smaller companies.

The funny thing is because these smaller places make less part than larger tuning companies, more emphasis is placed on the customer. Do you see Greddy reps coming on here, freely talking about their products?

You might pay more for an Essential Speed exhaust than say, GREDDY, but the Essential guys (just like the RRM guys) are always on here, willing to help.

yeah 500 posts!

 

well rrm is out of its league. RRM owns in mitsubishi tuning, so you really cant compare rrm with these essential speed people. If you say rrm, to a person that owns a mitsubishi, they usually say go with rrm rather than greddy or hks. But I do get what your saying, I wasn't trying to discourage essential speed, as I can see they are a small company trying to help out. But all in all, i rather go with an rrm setup rather than essential speed.

 

I know what you're saying, man...no disrespect intended.

 

What do you mean by "these essential speed people"? I will smoke your evo if you have one