if misubishi made the internals like the 4g63 engine in the 4g69 i could see why they would sale a turbo kit for the ralliart. i think someone said that the 4g69 internals are pretty stronge , but how stronge?

 

I'd like to find out, but I don't feel like dropping my oil pan, ha ha.

 

a non-iced turbo kit could easily be under $3000. Mitsu has done it b4. They probably would only offer gains of around 50hp. Still for the money the RRM kit would blow it away. After seeing how Mitsu is with the EVO and my warranty I wouldn't trust them for a second to keep your warranty on a RA. "Customer Abuse: No Warranty for you!" Just that easy. They are not going to give you a blank check to do big burnouts and break your transaxle or replace your head when your over-rev. No manufacturer will do this. still makes great cars so stock or not they are still far better than a lot out there.

 

true enough.... but Mitsu is all about making a name for itself and really pushing the Ralliart brand as they own it. The turbo kit has hp gains of 60-80 hp it will be set at I think it was 9 lbs of boost it's basically the match to the Mazda speed turbo, nothing big and boastful, but Mitsu does want to push the line. $3500 for the kit not including install.... and if it is to be warrantied it has to be installed by a Mitsu tech.

 

nothing your saying above doesn't make sense. I think if Mitsubishi was really going to push the ralliart name they would have came out with Ralliart parts available for the EVO at the dealer. They haven't. You can get Ralliart parts from online retailers, but not from the dealer, why? I see no reason why this would be any different for the RA. Also I don't see how adding 60-80hp would be possible from a factory based kit. I see them raise the bar to maybe 200-210hp(crank), which would be sweet but expect closer to 6lbs if it were to happen. They have to safeguard themselves against the idiot that runs 87 when he is suppose to run at least 91 and so on and so forth.

Mitsubishi is in finacial trouble, but it is by no means the end of them or any special items they might have such as this one. They have some of the best cars in the industry, supported by a good dealer base in 4 continents. Mitsubishi will not be failing anytime soon. The damn news media just likes making more of something than what it is.

And DaimlerChrysler dropping Mitsubishi will turn out to be one of thier biggest mistakes because DC has no value segment or parts bin to make thier cars. This is why the Chrysler brand name is becoming more of a Luxury brand. With the Crossfire, 300M, and more coming. Ok this is completley off topic, but inportant because the next Neon is supposed to be based on the next Lancer frame, drivetrain, and more. Execpt this time it was going to be Mitsubishi's design instead of Dodge's design like the 3000GT/Stealth back in the late 80's/early 90's. This will still happen, and the reason is for it is because most contracts between Mitsu and DC have to remain until at least 2012, this based on what I read. So anyways the next Neon is planned to be based on a Lancer, and the main reason for this is that DC wants it to be a better quaility car that holds it resale better. I have a friend with an 03' Neon SXT that he bought a year and a half ago for around 13OTD, which is cheap. But he went to trade it in and numerous dealers were telling him $5500-$6400 for it. OUCH! Hopefully the SRT-4 holds it value better than that. Now imagine this, the same MIVEC engine in the SRT-4 with this factory turbo kit turned up a little more could be the possible replacement for the SRT-4.

Lastly, I don't know the why I felt the need to ramble on, but I feel like I got a pretty good idea of what is going on vs. what the news media strews to make a BS reality.

 

Will MMA make a turbo kit for the US RA? NO. We have the evo here, and as much as you guys say it's not, it would be direct competition. Only diehard fans would by an evo over a turbo RA, all those srt4/cobalt/ion redline and a few wrx guy would by a turbo RA over those current cars. Mitsu main focus is the evo, because as of right now its the only car that's slowly getting them out of debt. Remember they where banking on the success of the o3 evo to keep them and evo here for the next years and than banking on the o3-o4 to bring the MR here. We all know, if the evo never hit the states, mitsu would fall a slow death. Now that the evo is making waves, there focusing on there 'ralliart' brand name. So there should be alot in store for us RA owners (just not a USDM turbo) and the new "galant / endevour". While mitsu is gonna take a back seat on the evo, because its already a major success and they don't wanna abuse it.

Now, will MMC make a turbo kit for the CA RA? Probably YES. Reason being, there is no evo due to "crash-intercooler" testing. Mitsu of CA knows that they want an evo, but they just can't bring it. Im pretty sure will see a factory turbo kit for the canadian owners just to feed there need for a turbo lancer and to make them a big player against the srt4/wrx/sTI owners.

Also, the japanese RA is turbo and it comes with an AWD option. Those JDM ralliarts are to die for, the interior and the motor is beautiful. I know the motors puts out less HP than our N/A, but everybody knows a few basic mods (downpipe/upipe/reflash) would gain WELL more power over our N/A and also, what about turbo swap? Oh yeah... that jdm RA has far more potential STOCK than our N/A motor. Stock vs. stock I rather have a JDM RA than a USDM RA.

 

I was thinking in terms of the the US market, US dealers, and how Mitsubishi presents themselves here. From what I've read on these forums canadian dealers and Mitsubishi Canada are much, much more mod-friendly than their US counterparts, so between that and their not being a Canadian Evolution I suppose I could see them coming out with a turbo kit in Canada. I'm still skeptical, but not as much as I was. Of course now I don't care much anymore, since they won't be selling it here.

 

Guys, sorry to pop your bubble, but North America Mitsubishi Motors wont put a turbo in US Ralliart. Its been debated a long time ago, now i will say it again:

1. Not the same as US Ralliart
The engine of the Ralliart in Japan (or Singapore) is not the same as the US version Ralliart. That one is a 1.8L engine DOHC, ours is 2.4L SOHC. BIG Difference

2. Almost the same horsies
The Lancer Ralliart Turbo is not as good as the US Lancer Ralliart. 120hp vs 160hp. And they have a turbo in them! If you take off the turbo in the Japanese version, you can see how much it lets out... They need a turbo to make it move, while US version doesnt. Its good enough

3. Marketing conflict
Why buy an evolution if you can buy a Lancer with a factory turbo in it??? Why pay so much just for the awd? North America Mitsubishi will not have conflicts within its own car line-up. Evo is for people that have the money to get awd and turbo, lancer is for people that cant afford an evo.

Final thought, it just wont happen. Stop dreaming and pray for more aftermarket turbos to come than thinking mitsubishi will make a factory turbo version of ralliart. North America Mitsubishi will not sell 2 cars that are almost the same. Think about it.

 

yeah dude we don't get the EVO like you americans do, that's why Mitsu Canada is going to launch the turbo for the RA, I think this is where all the confusion is coming from. We won't see the Evo until late 05' or 06'. So why the big fuss, I worked at a Canadian dealership for over a year and was the main partsman for the dealership. I'm not a freakin idiot, I know what I'm talking about, and $3500 cdn is big coin for small gain.

 

canuck, i dont even think evo will be coming anytime soon. reason canada has lancers and not evos because evos failed the crash test. lancers are accepted to canadian borders because mmna added reinforcements on the bumper where the fmic of evo is located. thats why we have lancers. unless evo is redesigned from scratch, you wont see evos in mitsu dealership

 

I seriously doubt there will be a turbo kit for the RA. Not for the US and most certainly not for Canada. Just because the Evo didn't make the Canadian standards doesn't mean they (Mitsu) is in some way obligated to design a turbo kit just for the Canadians.

Ralliart hasn't even been established yet, and it isn't going to start out with a turbo kit for a niche car.

About the only thing I see as a possibility is that if Scion continues to do well, and if Nissan comes out with their little boxy xB knock off, then Mitsu of America will roll out the Colt 3 door hatch. Maybe then there will be a Ralliart Colt with the 2.4L Mivec motor.

The 4G69 is the end of the 4G series and all the research and development is going toward the world engines that debut in 2007.

EDIT: they showed Ralliart versions of the Galant and Endeavor at the SEMA show. The Galant should debut in MY2006, so maybe there will be more support for the other cars. And no, it isn't a turbo 4, its a 260hp V6. Someone took a pic of it in another thread about SEMA evos.

 

just to update members who don't beleive, after contacting the Mitsu Canada Headoffice, and I was redirected to the Vancouver office, the RA turbo will be released in March of 2005, they have the program shelved momentarily as they are dealing with other areas of Mitsu. (Apparently a T.O company is going to produce the kits) This program was to roll out into dealers earlier this year but with the licencing issues with RalliART they shelved the program. So take this for what its worth.... I doubt these guys would be feedin lines but I thought I would back my response with some fact... now this program has been held back several times, let's just wait and see if Mitsu comes to the table with this program when they say they will, oh and just an FYI Canada is getting the new EVO 9 in late 2005. They figure $45,000 - $52,000 ish price range...... weeeeeeeeeee

they also ranged the price for the turbo kit to be in the ball park of $3800 - $4500, as it will only be a 6psi turbo kit, small and only good for about 70 -90hp gains,

I'm not in here to **** people off, I just want to share the info I hear whether it materializes or not isn't my issue, just conveying some info that's all.

 

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More and more people hear the same things from different sources... so there is more and more chances of there being substance to all of this. I too heard about the turbo kit, but from a very unreliable source (read: one of the salesmen).

But lately I also got tipped on the EVO9 and heard about a late spring/beginning of summer release date. So it seems Mitsu is going in the right direction to establish it's performance image... which should be good for the overall image of the brand up here (which is currently almost non existent).

Speaking of the new Colt (already sold in europe), I also heard of plans for a RalliArt model... it seems it would use a bigger atmospheric engine. MIVEC? Who knows...

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No way. Mitsu will never offer a turbo for the RA. They already do that with the Evo and God knows what else. You know I'd be happy if they just gave us a sixth gear and fixed that goofy front end...really don't want a turbo.

 

theres a lot of good posts here saying why it shouldnt be brought
here, but also a good number of posts saying that it should be, (in
canada), but with mitsu's troubles, a ralliart turbo would not be good
because it would better to stick with the name evo has made and make like a
WRX version of it, but RS already filled that gap, so problably the idea
of making turbo ralliart (IN US) is crap. ideas for it coming to canada would
be much better, cause no EVO, and they (mitsu sales planners) might look
to ralliart to boost performance against the WRXs and SRT-4s here.
so just to boost an image here in canada, maybe preparing canada for
the evo? that would help, like having some turbo ralliarts blow away some
WRXs and SRT-4s and gaining some recognition and creds here in can first.