2009 Lancer Ralliart review

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Nov 16, 2008 | 08:24 PM
  #31  
oh aight.

I was wondering about how it's times were quicker then the SS and Ms3. Although it's a few tenths overall quicker on this mark. But the notes were saying that some power braking was involved, anyway.
And the single scroll playing the handicap to top speed was something else.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 08:27 PM
  #32  
I thought the SS was faster than the Ralliart.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 08:29 PM
  #33  
oh it is.
just on these charts, the 0-60 it tied with the SS, while the R/A was running a little quicker then SS and the Ms3 on the 0-40.
then it died.
lol

just to show:

0-50mph

SS: 4.4
Ms3: 4.3
R/A: 4.0
WRX: 4.0

0-60
SS: 5.4
Ms3: 5.7 (well it beats the Ms3)
R/A: 5.4
WRX: 5.1
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Nov 16, 2008 | 08:48 PM
  #34  
I presume that's because of the turbo much like the previous WRX.
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Nov 16, 2008 | 08:54 PM
  #35  
yeah.
just curious and wanted to point that out.
wondering about tuning variables.
can that be changed?
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Nov 16, 2008 | 09:50 PM
  #36  
The properties of the turbo are more or less fixed, no amount of tuning will make a small turbo act like a big turbo. What you can do is learn how to maximize a small turbo's advantages though. At the moment I'm running a custom stage 2 map (as opposed to an off the shelf map) and it's been designed to give me full boost quickly. My power drops off in the higher RPM but I just shift before 5500 RPM and I'm fine. I'm sure you can do the same with the Ralliart.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 11:47 AM
  #37  
Quote: And how do the Ralliart sales compare to the sales of the competition? As far as we know, Platinum or Hyatt Mitsubishi got 2 Ralliarts that were ordered 6 months ago.
Platinum physically had three on Friday. That's where I saw the orange one with the grey rims. They post their weekly sales and three Ralliarts were on the board as sold last week. Mitsubishi will easily sell out of the 09 allotment of Ralliarts seeing that the manufacturing numbers are so low.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 11:56 AM
  #38  
Quote: The properties of the turbo are more or less fixed, no amount of tuning will make a small turbo act like a big turbo. What you can do is learn how to maximize a small turbo's advantages though. At the moment I'm running a custom stage 2 map (as opposed to an off the shelf map) and it's been designed to give me full boost quickly. My power drops off in the higher RPM but I just shift before 5500 RPM and I'm fine. I'm sure you can do the same with the Ralliart.
Wastegate spring rate and an EBC are other possibilities. It has already been shown that putting a quality EBC on an EVO X will increase top end horespower substancially even without upping the stock boost level. The stock boost solenoid can't handle the heavy duty cycles causing boost to drop to as low as 14 psi over 5000 RPM.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 12:13 PM
  #39  
Quote: Platinum physically had three on Friday. That's where I saw the orange one with the grey rims. They post their weekly sales and three Ralliarts were on the board as sold last week. Mitsubishi will easily sell out of the 09 allotment of Ralliarts seeing that the manufacturing numbers are so low.
3 cars isn't that much. Being sold out isn't proof of success if the supply is low. There was a time when the PS3 was sold out everywhere but it didn't post fantastic total sales numbers.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 12:15 PM
  #40  
Quote: Wastegate spring rate and an EBC are other possibilities. It has already been shown that putting a quality EBC on an EVO X will increase top end horespower substancially even without upping the stock boost level. The stock boost solenoid can't handle the heavy duty cycles causing boost to drop to as low as 14 psi over 5000 RPM.
That just works by keeping the boost consistent across the whole RPM range. This works on the Evo but may not on the Ralliart if it pushes the turbo outside of its operating range. There's no point in running 18 PSI at redline if the turbo can't push the air needed.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 01:56 PM
  #41  
Quote: That just works by keeping the boost consistent across the whole RPM range. This works on the Evo but may not on the Ralliart if it pushes the turbo outside of its operating range. There's no point in running 18 PSI at redline if the turbo can't push the air needed.

the evo turbo is working a lot better at high rpms where the boost tapers. Simply because the twin scroll design and the size advantage. That is why the ra has less lag by the way.
If i'm right the RA fuel cut is also a lot lower then the X so as the Rev limit. I dont think you will see that much gain just a simple better boost holding MBC. Unless you will use a higher boost.
But then again, the smaller turbo can run out steam very easy.

I think the real gain will come from the tune. So the tuner can play with the mivec cams and timing etc. I dont think you will see a big boost gain to get a hp out from the engine. Just because the turbo size and design.
This is my opinion.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 07:05 PM
  #42  
Quote: 3 cars isn't that much. Being sold out isn't proof of success if the supply is low. There was a time when the PS3 was sold out everywhere but it didn't post fantastic total sales numbers.
Who said the car was a success? They aren't making the Ralliart in WRX numbers so you can rest easy as the WRX will sell more at least until they can manufacture more TC-SST's or offer a 5-speed model.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 08:18 PM
  #43  
Your initial post suggested that you thought the Ralliart would be a better seller than the competition since it makes a better daily driver (despite the horrendous fuel efficiency, loudness, rough transmission, etc).
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Nov 17, 2008 | 08:34 PM
  #44  
Quote: Your initial post suggested that you thought the Ralliart would be a better seller than the competition since it makes a better daily driver (despite the horrendous fuel efficiency, loudness, rough transmission, etc).
By competition you mean the Subaru WRX, of which you are the biggest fanboy of. You are so biased it is not even funny. What purpose does it serve by trying to refute every positive post about the Ralliart with facts about the WRX which you beleive to better. Why can you not just let those who have bought Ralliarts or like Ralliarts enjoy talking about them without always pointing out the negatives. It Definitely ruins my experience on this site.
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Nov 17, 2008 | 08:53 PM
  #45  
Actually I was referring to competition in general including the MS3, SS, GTI, SI, etc but you're right, I'm just a huge fanboy especially when I just state known facts, dispute misplaced hype or don't think that generalizations based on specific data is appropriate, all typical signs of a fanboy. I've even gone so far as to say that the Ralliart can be a great performer and state that Mitsubishi makes better electronics and that the Ralliart is a good looking car, again signs of a fanboy. If you're looking for a site where everyone just sits around and proclaims Mitsubishi the best of the best and reveal there secret arousal for all things Lancer, you definitely came to the wrong place. If you actually want discussions, no where is better than Evom.
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