You are a fanboy, yes. Just because you give compliments once a month does not negate the fact that you repeatedly defend the WRX. I have not been here long, but i've been here long enough to view your postings. EVERY single post is completely pessemistic regarding the R/A. You do nothing but run your mouth about how you feel it'll respond to mods, and when others give their insight you shoot it down. You defend every aspect of the WRX whether its the engine breaking, the ugly body, interior, nav system, you name it. Then you proceed to make yourself feel better by throwing in cheap shots at the R/A..."Oh its terrible on gas, its loud when driving, clunky transmission, overheating, poor performer, etc." Yet you have not driven it. The fact of the matter is the R/A has not been dyno'd yet, not been tuned yet, not been modded yet, and has not been to the track. You base all mods off the WRX..."Oh it has a TD-04 turbo, so according to my WRX HP/TQ chart it should make xxxwhp." We understand the car is not on the top of it's class, and we've all agreed on this in SEVERAL threads. Many have bought this car for other reasons, reasons you don't understand and don't accept. The original reviewer seemed to enjoy the car as do the rest of us owners, so why can't you be a little more respectful?

 

i doubt that the ralliart will sell out, a dealer next to me has 3 of them, of the 3 that they have received about 3-4 weeks ago, as a matter of fact, they are still sitting on the 8 evos, most of which they got in march.

 

wow, you got some chops talking to a mod like that

the ra has been dynoed, look at a post RRE made in the new ralliart forum some guys (who probably started it) is plugging

let me take a look, i will be back

back now

here you go

http://www.clubralliart.com/showthread.php?t=24

 

but its all true

 

Keep in mind.
This chart is old and the R/A that was dynoed was on a pre-production car.

There isn't any current dyno information on production cars as of yet.
This is the same chart that we utilized to see the turbo on the R/A spiking at 20 psi which was close to the X's boost numbers.

 

Wait, so because I defend the WRX, I'm a fanboy? Does that mean because I defend the Evo against Subaru owners I'm an Evo fanboy? A Honda fanboy? I defend any car that is being unfairly attacked, including the Ralliart. I've actually told other Subaru owners that the Ralliart is a good car for the average person because of the transmission and its styling. Apparently you do not understand the definition of a fanboy.
If you read my posts regarding modding, I clearly say that the Ralliart will respond well to modding, much like the WRX. What I do say is that the TC-SST is a potential weak point. If pointing out the obvious makes you a fanboy, I guess I'm a fanboy.
I am rarely alone in defending the WRX, normally other members either support what I say or provide their own counterarguments. As I said before, if all you want is a site where people sit around and only say good things about the Ralliart while making ignorant comments about every other car, you have arrived at the wrong site.
Hmmm....so all the reviews on the Ralliart are irrelevant? The performance numbers are fake? The gas mileage numbers are fake? The numbers posted in the "Gas mileage report" thread are fake? What the hell does a dyno have to do with anything? I could dyno a stock Civic and make it look like it has 200 HP from the factory if you wanted me to.
Let me explain a bit of logic to you, the Ralliart turbo is extremely similar to the old WRX turbo. This means the turbo has essentially the same properties and the same behaviour. Logically we can use the WRX as a model then to see how the Ralliart will behave with mods. It's not like the TD04 in the Ralliart is some freak that's going to have amazing top end while spooling up at 1000 RPM and making 500 HP with just a reflash, it's still a TD04.

 

Now how does that logic work? It may be a similar Turbo, but the engine is completely different. I don't think similarities can dictate the engineering.

I understand you want to share your wealth of knowledge on the WRX as a comparison to other vehicles, but I think that sometimes it either does not apply or just comes off a "fanboy-ish." I am mostly a reader and hardly post, I've noticed that on most threads you always make a mention of the WRX, SOMEHOW. It could be gas performance, engine trouble, whatever. You always bring it into the equation even if it is a remote similarity. Personally, I don't care, but I think it does make you come off as a fanboy. At least in this forum section. I don't know what you say to Subaru owners about defending the Evo or ralliart, but I don't check there so pointing out that you do it, to me, is null.

Try this, post your opinion and knowledge without saying "WRX" anywhere in the post and people won't even notice and stop giving you crap. I drive an eclipse and I think I know the car pretty good, but I don't mention something about the eclipse EVERY time I post... specially not here. I'd just go to an eclipse forum for that. (I understand the relevance of the engine similarities with the WRX, but still)

 

How is a dyno relevant?, how ISNT it relevant? It only gives us a lot more information then we currently have. And it also gives us more then what the magazines say. Personally i get around 22-23 mpg so it's not all that bad. And if you defend the Ralliart in other forums that's good for you, because i dont visit those forums. But why you would defend it in other forums and continue to put it down over here is beyond me. And why say its a good car for the average person when you have nothing but bad things to say about the transmission?...it cant hold much, it shifts clunky, and overheats. I have YET to experience any of the problems you speak of, and I own a R/A. Also the TD-04 is just the housing.

 

wow, guys need to take it easy.
I have had my debates with AMBY and other moderators but there is a reason for this madness.

I believe AMBY is making a comparison to the WRX mostly because that is the R/A's chief competitor. The R/A was built, yeah to compete with MS3, WRX and SS.
But mostly against Subaru. Subaru has been stealing sales from Mitsubishi when it comes to the AWD, TURBO line of cars. Now a car and model that is worthy of the name (no offense to other older generation R/A owners) Ralliart, has some things that we are all concerned about.

Keep in mind, the R/A is brand new.

AMBY is comparing it to a car that has been on the market for some time, which has been tried and approved by the consumer and out on the track with performance, day to day driving, etc. There are some things that I don't agree with but there are quite a few things that very informative. And is key
to understanding the R/A's potential. For the rest, it's just a forum.

Honestly, with his history here on EVOM, AMBY is the only guy who is interjecting with info, whether it's negative or postive. So that's something.

We all know there is alot of speculation here vs fact, but let's not turn this thread into a grudge match about who is credible to make a comment and who is not.

Vendors don't even have the car, yet.
So any info is a welcome as of now.

Let's leave it at that and move along.

 

The turbo is the limiting factor, not the engine. You could bolt a TD04 onto a corvette and it will still behave like a TD04.
At the moment the only car that is similar to the Ralliart is the WRX, thus it seems appropriate to use the knowledge acquired on one and apply it to the other. I don't spout WRX info randomly, I only do so when it is suitable (ie. when people ask about the TD04 capabilities, want to know what a tune will be like, etc).
I swear I should just change my info so it says I drive an Evo, I'm sure I would get way less flak that way.

 

ehhh

 

Again, how is a dyno relevant? Dynos are just tools, they have no supreme meaning. There are dynos available for the Ralliart and they don't tell us what we don't already know. If you're just looking for a number, by all means use a dyno incorrectly.
Actually if you check my posts, I don't always put down the Ralliart and I do actually put down the WRX and other cars from time to time. When necessary, I defend the Ralliart as well. I don't however feel the need to spout useless hype unlike some other people on this board (this applies to evo people, ralliart people and lancer people).
The Ralliart is a good car for the average person because it comes with a lot of accessories, it looks good and it has decent performance. That doesn't mean it's faultless anymore than the WRX is faultless.
A TD04 will behave like a TD04. Based on the dynos I've seen as well as how the car performs, I think it's safe to say that the TD04 is very similar to the TD04 in the WRX (A 13T I believe). Now I know logic has no place when you're just looking to rationalize or support the car you have, but on a forum such as Evom, logic is paramount.

 

Thank you, somebody who actually gets it. The only reason why the WRX comes up so often is because the Ralliart and the WRX are practically brothers from a different mother. Ralliart owners can learn a lot by studying what WRX owners are doing and why.

 

I agree with both sides here. But everyone assumed before the launch that this car was intended to be a poor mans evolution. It was intended to compete in the cars of its same category. Like the SS cobalt,Mazdaspeed 6 and 3, civic SI, And of course the new WRX boasting more power. I do beleive they filled a gap left in their lineup with this car. And lets face it, Its a very smart move. They are utilizing just about everything they already make in a different model/past model to come out with a slightly revolutionary vehicle. I mean slightly because its filling a market that few venture into these days. Being a mid performance non manual transmissioned vehicle. These cars will be loved by some but not all, and these cars will be sold. And I beleive they will sell fast. What else matters???

Best Quote from the entire review-----

" I don’t think that that will matter because I believe they are two completely different buyers. Anyway you look at it the new Lancer Ralliart is a nice addition to the Lancer family giving buyers another level of performance at an affordable price".

 

Granted the majority wants to bench race with the dyno numbers. But it does serve a purpose with new release vehicles. As I recall it took someone dynoing a RX-8 at launch to find out that mazda's power claims were incorrect which resulted in a huge ordeal from Mazda. Which resulted in Mazda either buying back vehicles the general public didn't want or offering a refund. It does hold its value to a point. Or to bring it back on subject If the transmission in the Ralliart has more/less power loss than other vehicles of its kind can make or break its case. just thinking out loud here though. Please don't give me an electronic beat down because I don't agree with you 100%