Rotors - We need options
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Rotors - We need options
I havnt seen any options for rotors or brake improvements. I have pushed the RA pretty hard and brake fade is a serious problem. We need upgrade options. I noticed that the GTS and RA have the same spec wheel and rotor size.
http://mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/l...s.do?loc=en-us
Front Brake Diameter (in/m) 11.6/294
Rear Brake Diameter (in/m) 11.9/302
I wonder if the brake ugrades on RRM site would fit? Ill have to call and find out.
http://mitsubishicars.com/MMNA/jsp/l...s.do?loc=en-us
Front Brake Diameter (in/m) 11.6/294
Rear Brake Diameter (in/m) 11.9/302
I wonder if the brake ugrades on RRM site would fit? Ill have to call and find out.
The calipers are from the Outlander though...So they aren't that bad since the Out lander weighs a little more than the RA. We would benefit a lot with a better pad like said above.
If you really want better brakes you have to go with a big brake kit.
http://www.thebrakeman.com/evo_kits
If you really want better brakes you have to go with a big brake kit.
http://www.thebrakeman.com/evo_kits
The calipers are from the Outlander though...So they aren't that bad since the Out lander weighs a little more than the RA. We would benefit a lot with a better pad like said above.
If you really want better brakes you have to go with a big brake kit.
http://www.thebrakeman.com/evo_kits
If you really want better brakes you have to go with a big brake kit.
http://www.thebrakeman.com/evo_kits
Pads, pads, pads, pads, pads! Bigger brakes won't do jack, they only help in true racing situations where you already have better pads, better fluid and better lines but still find the brakes getting too hot. BBKs actually increase your stopping distance.
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What's the point if they increase your stopping distance? look cool? lol
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ambystom01 is right. All we really need right now is a good set of brake pads. I wouldn't mind seeing a SS brake line kit put together for the RA's along with some decent brake pads that are model specific.
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Gentleman, yes we need pads but Im looking for pads plus rotors and brake lines.
I apologize. I group the rotor upgrade with pads. Believe me, Ive been keeping an eye out for all of the above plus coilovers.
Thank you for the link.
I apologize. I group the rotor upgrade with pads. Believe me, Ive been keeping an eye out for all of the above plus coilovers.
Thank you for the link.
This x100000. The main thing you need to be looking at if you have issues with brake fade is switching to a pad with a higher MOT. Rotor upgrade is totally pointless, unless you just want a more "pretty" rotor to look at. As far as upgrading stainless lines, contact any of the vendors who currently have a Ralliart to test on and ask them. It should be something they can easily make. There are also sites where you can order custom lines by just telling them the type of fittings and length you need.
If you actually race (and no, the off-ramp does not count), larger brake rotors keep your pads cooler for longer meaning you can basically hammer on the brakes without overheating them. The trade off is a longer stopping distance. I cannot remember why this is the case, it is likely a combination of keeping the pads cooler (on track they'll be hot all the time but around town they could cool down to what is outside they're operating range), changing the brake bias and some other factors.
From what I can tell the stock rotors are fine. Unless you are warping them, the money is better spent elsewhere. Lines are good for feel but don't help you stock any faster.
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I actually drive the car and the places where I have put the car through its paces will toast the brakes ( pads ) in a matter of a few seconds.
Private roads in South West Va are unbelievable. It makes the nurburgring looke like a highway at times. Lots of very tight carousels, switchbacks, tons of elevation change both on the entrance and exits, connected by long sweeping "straights". Some of these places you just wouldnt beleive they would pave until you see it.
Brake fade is bad ( and yes Im very suprised the rotors have not warped ) I equate it to my old 67 buick electra 225. One hard brake application and its time for a cool down lap.
I promise, so you guys dont worry, Ill upgrade the pads too.
Thank you for the input.
Update: I called the people at the link posted above and they are looking into getting pads. Well see what they turn up.
Private roads in South West Va are unbelievable. It makes the nurburgring looke like a highway at times. Lots of very tight carousels, switchbacks, tons of elevation change both on the entrance and exits, connected by long sweeping "straights". Some of these places you just wouldnt beleive they would pave until you see it.
Brake fade is bad ( and yes Im very suprised the rotors have not warped ) I equate it to my old 67 buick electra 225. One hard brake application and its time for a cool down lap.
I promise, so you guys dont worry, Ill upgrade the pads too.
Thank you for the input.
Update: I called the people at the link posted above and they are looking into getting pads. Well see what they turn up.
Last edited by elpoole; Feb 23, 2009 at 06:02 PM.
I actually drive the car and the places where I have put the car through its paces will toast the brakes ( pads ) in a matter of a few seconds.
Private roads in South West Va are unbelievable. It makes the nurburgring looke like a highway at times. Lots of very tight carousels, switchbacks, tons of elevation change both on the entrance and exits, connected by long sweeping "straights". Some of these places you just wouldnt beleive they would pave until you see it.
Brake fade is bad ( and yes Im very suprised the rotors have not warped ) I equate it to my old 67 buick electra 225. One hard brake application and its time for a cool down lap.
I promise, so you guys dont worry, Ill upgrade the pads too.
Thank you for the input.
Update: I called the people at the link posted above and they are looking into getting pads. Well see what they turn up.
Private roads in South West Va are unbelievable. It makes the nurburgring looke like a highway at times. Lots of very tight carousels, switchbacks, tons of elevation change both on the entrance and exits, connected by long sweeping "straights". Some of these places you just wouldnt beleive they would pave until you see it.
Brake fade is bad ( and yes Im very suprised the rotors have not warped ) I equate it to my old 67 buick electra 225. One hard brake application and its time for a cool down lap.
I promise, so you guys dont worry, Ill upgrade the pads too.
Thank you for the input.
Update: I called the people at the link posted above and they are looking into getting pads. Well see what they turn up.
Hawk Pads are available for the Outlander.
http://www.hawkperformance.com/parts/index.php
Part Number HB435Y.622
http://www.hawkperformance.com/parts/index.php
Part Number HB435Y.622
If you can find out the FMSI number on your front and rear brake pads, that'll make it super easy to figure out all the cross-applications and find a selection of pads. With the way Mitsu shares parts with Chrysler, there's likely at least half a dozen other cars that use the same pads.
Edit: I believe your FMSI is D866 (front), which is the same as the previous Ralliart. That means you have a decent pad selection. See below for an excerpt from my brake sticky in the Ralliart area. FWIW, the Axxis Ultimates are my favorite pad. They have a high enough MOT for track use, but are still very rotor friendly so they work for daily street use. Plus, they're cheap, you can find them for under $60. EBC redstuff are also a good choice. High MOT, a touch less bite, but far less dust. I've also run the EBC Yellowstuff. Great pad, but they eat rotors, so not very street friendly.
In fact, I think it's time for a brake sticky here so people can start collecting info.
Edit: I believe your FMSI is D866 (front), which is the same as the previous Ralliart. That means you have a decent pad selection. See below for an excerpt from my brake sticky in the Ralliart area. FWIW, the Axxis Ultimates are my favorite pad. They have a high enough MOT for track use, but are still very rotor friendly so they work for daily street use. Plus, they're cheap, you can find them for under $60. EBC redstuff are also a good choice. High MOT, a touch less bite, but far less dust. I've also run the EBC Yellowstuff. Great pad, but they eat rotors, so not very street friendly.
In searching for the best deal in a new set of brake pads for the front, I'm finding that most sites aren't up to date on their model listings, so they never have anything listed for Ralliarts (or even Lancers). Here's a quick list of the cars who share the same front pads as the Ralliart:
FMSI D866
2001 - 2005 Chrysler Sebring (Coupe) - LX, LXi 6 cyl Front
2001 - 2005 Dodge Stratus Coupe 6 cyl Front
2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse Exc. Turbo 6 cyl. Front
2002 - 2007 Mitsubishi Eclipse Exc. Turbo Front
06/00 - 2001 Mitsubishi Galant (Exc. Sigma) V6 Front
2002 - 2007 Mitsubishi Galant (Exc. Sigma) Front
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer (Exc. Evolution) 2.4L Front
2003 - 2004 Mitsubishi Outlander Front
2007 Dodge Caliber
2007 Jeep Compass and Patroit
2008 Lancer
If you have brake part numbers to share (whether for pads, rotors, lines, etc) please post them here.
AXXIS/PBR front pad numbers:
MTS077483 (ultimates) 550*C/1022*F MOT (max. operating temperature)
MTS070554 (metal masters)
MTS070551 (deluxe)
Hawk front pad numbers:
HB435F.622 (HPS - 750*F MOT)
HB435Y.622 (LTS - intended for trucks, but it'll fit)
EBC front pads
D866 (Ultimax - OE grade)
DP21614 (Greenstuff 650*C MOT)
DP31614C (Redstuff 650*C MOT)
DP41614R (Yellowstuff - race 800*C MOT)
Porterfield
AP866 (front - available in R4, R4-E, and R4-1)
EXPENSIVE, but super high quality pads if you race, and they'll custom make pads in the other compounds they offer.
FMSI D866
2001 - 2005 Chrysler Sebring (Coupe) - LX, LXi 6 cyl Front
2001 - 2005 Dodge Stratus Coupe 6 cyl Front
2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse Exc. Turbo 6 cyl. Front
2002 - 2007 Mitsubishi Eclipse Exc. Turbo Front
06/00 - 2001 Mitsubishi Galant (Exc. Sigma) V6 Front
2002 - 2007 Mitsubishi Galant (Exc. Sigma) Front
2004 Mitsubishi Lancer (Exc. Evolution) 2.4L Front
2003 - 2004 Mitsubishi Outlander Front
2007 Dodge Caliber
2007 Jeep Compass and Patroit
2008 Lancer
If you have brake part numbers to share (whether for pads, rotors, lines, etc) please post them here.
AXXIS/PBR front pad numbers:
MTS077483 (ultimates) 550*C/1022*F MOT (max. operating temperature)
MTS070554 (metal masters)
MTS070551 (deluxe)
Hawk front pad numbers:
HB435F.622 (HPS - 750*F MOT)
HB435Y.622 (LTS - intended for trucks, but it'll fit)
EBC front pads
D866 (Ultimax - OE grade)
DP21614 (Greenstuff 650*C MOT)
DP31614C (Redstuff 650*C MOT)
DP41614R (Yellowstuff - race 800*C MOT)
Porterfield
AP866 (front - available in R4, R4-E, and R4-1)
EXPENSIVE, but super high quality pads if you race, and they'll custom make pads in the other compounds they offer.
Last edited by otter; Feb 23, 2009 at 07:00 PM.