new ralliart owner: question
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If you have any technical articles listing the exact differences between chassis, I'd like to see them. They listed different chassis codes between the Mirage and the EVO VII, but people have been able to swap part for part with almost no major modifications necessary. If I remember correctly, Mitsu isn't the only ones using this chassis either, because it was developed in conjunction with Hyundai, and I believe one other manufacturer.
The only difference I remember hearing about between the RA and the EVO chassis is that, supposedly, the EVO chassis had additional seam welds. According to the information Works was posting when stripping down the RA, they couldn't see a marked difference anywhere in the chassis.
The only difference I remember hearing about between the RA and the EVO chassis is that, supposedly, the EVO chassis had additional seam welds. According to the information Works was posting when stripping down the RA, they couldn't see a marked difference anywhere in the chassis.
If you have any technical articles listing the exact differences between chassis, I'd like to see them. They listed different chassis codes between the Mirage and the EVO VII, but people have been able to swap part for part with almost no major modifications necessary. If I remember correctly, Mitsu isn't the only ones using this chassis either, because it was developed in conjunction with Hyundai, and I believe one other manufacturer.
The only difference I remember hearing about between the RA and the EVO chassis is that, supposedly, the EVO chassis had additional seam welds. According to the information Works was posting when stripping down the RA, they couldn't see a marked difference anywhere in the chassis.
The only difference I remember hearing about between the RA and the EVO chassis is that, supposedly, the EVO chassis had additional seam welds. According to the information Works was posting when stripping down the RA, they couldn't see a marked difference anywhere in the chassis.
The chassis is wider, the suspension components are completely different (this has been tested), the driveline and transfer case mounting is different.
There are numerous documents out there that go over it... Is there some parts that work?? Yes. But the parts that make an evo x vs the ralliart, you aren't going to get on a Ralliart without modification. The Ralliart == GTS chassis.
Works is dead wrong if they said that. The cars were built in completely different areas using completely different methods by completely different engineers. The Evo was built from the ground up using Gruppe N specifications (reference Mitsubishi FIA A-5718). The Evo X is one of the only cars that comes virtually Gruppe N off of the show room floor. All you need is a roll cage installed.
The chassis is wider, the suspension components are completely different (this has been tested), the driveline and transfer case mounting is different.
There are numerous documents out there that go over it... Is there some parts that work?? Yes. But the parts that make an evo x vs the ralliart, you aren't going to get on a Ralliart without modification. The Ralliart == GTS chassis.
The chassis is wider, the suspension components are completely different (this has been tested), the driveline and transfer case mounting is different.
There are numerous documents out there that go over it... Is there some parts that work?? Yes. But the parts that make an evo x vs the ralliart, you aren't going to get on a Ralliart without modification. The Ralliart == GTS chassis.
I think what this is more than anything is confusion over semantics. When I use the term chassis, I am describing the frame of the vehicle. With modern unibody cars, that means the metal frame that all the mechanical parts and body paneling of the vehicle is attached to. If the more accepted definition of chassis includes suspension, mechanical parts, and the engine, then I am wrong.
Otherwise, what you are saying is that (set the arguments about how much time and resources this would take aside for a while) I could not strip a Ralliart and an EVO down to the basic frame and then do a complete swap. I think you are wrong about that considering the windshield, hood, trunk, fenders, sideskirts, engine, transmission, etc. all bolt up without any major modification being necessary.
And as for homologation through the FIA, they DO require that you submit information regarding the car's suspension, driveline, engine, exhaust, etc., which means, for homologation purposes, the RA and the EVO are completely different. They are not asking for the chassis information by my definition; they are asking for the whole car. And if Mitsu is going to release a Gruppe N car, it would be the EVO. There is no need to include any other cars, regardless of the parts they do or don't have in common.
You guys seem to think that I am saying that the RA is based on the EVO. That is not what I'm saying: I'm not that stupid, and we've seen those arguments over and over again. All I am saying is that the EVO and the RA share the same frame (I'll refrain from calling it chassis, since, apparently, every one now includes suspension and driveline as part of the chassis
). Sure the frame might be constructed in a different facility, it might have differernt bolt holes, etc., but the basic design and construction of the frame is the same. Otherwise, NO parts would be cross-compatible, which obviously is not the case.I'm not some newb off trying to say that my RA is an EVO lite... though it is lighter.
It is what it is. I see its strengths, and I see its weaknesses. And I recognize the need to keep people (especially new people) from mistakenly thinking that the RA is in someway an EVO, but to say that it has NOTHING in common with the EVO is just stupid, imo.
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Sorry I guess you guys missed one of the points I failed to make in my original post. Yes I know that out cars body and chasis for a large degree is more Lancer GTS but I wanted the Rali Armor mud Flaps specificly because I Live in a place where it can hit -57 Deg Celcius with the windchill in January.
The Rali armor flaps are made of pure urethane so they don't crack in extreme cold weather when struck by flying gravel coming off the wheels when driving over 100 km /hr on some cold winter night. I bought my car because it's a rali car and can handle all the pot holes, speed bumps as well.
The Rali armor flaps are made of pure urethane so they don't crack in extreme cold weather when struck by flying gravel coming off the wheels when driving over 100 km /hr on some cold winter night. I bought my car because it's a rali car and can handle all the pot holes, speed bumps as well.
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and will those 18x9s fit on the RA eric?
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to the op, i put the oem 
flaps on mine, same as the ones for the gts, and they look really nice, but are pretty low profile compared to the others like ralllyarmor. much less protection offered, but they look like they came with the car. rallyarmor definitely offers better protection, but they are obviously added on.
i chose the ones personally, because i prefer the cleanest look possible and they still offer at least a bit more protection than nothing at all. plus, how often am i really going off-roading? our streets are clean enough that i dont need anything that major. just my reasoning personally
flaps on mine, same as the ones for the gts, and they look really nice, but are pretty low profile compared to the others like ralllyarmor. much less protection offered, but they look like they came with the car. rallyarmor definitely offers better protection, but they are obviously added on. i chose the
ones personally, because i prefer the cleanest look possible and they still offer at least a bit more protection than nothing at all. plus, how often am i really going off-roading? our streets are clean enough that i dont need anything that major. just my reasoning personally flaps fitted please?
Either way, this discussion should be summed up as: There are many cross-compatible parts between the RA and the EVO. There are also many INCOMPATIBLE parts between the RA and the EVO. And, finally, there are many parts from an EVO that could be made to fit a RA, but only after a lot of work and modifications.
Basically, modifications need to be assessed on a part-by-part basis.
To the OP: Since the RA has the same fenders as the base Lancers/GTS, you need to buy mud flaps that fit the base Lancers/GTS. The EVO's mudflaps won't fit.
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The Fortis? Nope, didn't know that, but the Fortis' chassis designation is CY4A.
Either way, this discussion should be summed up as: There are many cross-compatible parts between the RA and the EVO. There are also many INCOMPATIBLE parts between the RA and the EVO. And, finally, there are many parts from an EVO that could be made to fit a RA, but only after a lot of work and modifications.
Basically, modifications need to be assessed on a part-by-part basis.
To the OP: Since the RA has the same fenders as the base Lancers/GTS, you need to buy mud flaps that fit the base Lancers/GTS. The EVO's mudflaps won't fit.
Either way, this discussion should be summed up as: There are many cross-compatible parts between the RA and the EVO. There are also many INCOMPATIBLE parts between the RA and the EVO. And, finally, there are many parts from an EVO that could be made to fit a RA, but only after a lot of work and modifications.
Basically, modifications need to be assessed on a part-by-part basis.
To the OP: Since the RA has the same fenders as the base Lancers/GTS, you need to buy mud flaps that fit the base Lancers/GTS. The EVO's mudflaps won't fit.
yeah, i know theyre small, but size isnt everything you know. lol. they do offer a bit of protection anyway, and they look clean, so theyre ok in my book.
i also see you are currently about as productive at work as i am.
i also see you are currently about as productive at work as i am.
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taken from my phone, in the parking lot at work, so definitely not the best pics ever, but hopefully this helps...
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