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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 11:22 AM
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If you are looking at fuel costs at all, then the RA is not for you. It has really bad fuel millage. I haven't done better then 14 mpg yet. I only have 700 miles on mine but still, its pathetic.
You need a tune. If you were to look at the stock Fuel Tables, you would understand why your mileage is not that great. Combine that with having even lower mileage during the break-in period (~1K miles) and it seems dismal at best.
Mitsu makes the Fuel Tables EXTREMELY rich to reduce the number of warranty claims. The stock tune is LITERALLY chocking the car on fuel. Obviously this severely restricts MPG, and more importantly POWER. If you get a basic tune(check out the GST Base Map) you will be stunned as to how much of a difference it can make (and there is still plenty of room for further tuning if are so inclined).
I don't know about all of you, but I bought an AWD Turbo for a reason; I F-ING LOVE THIS CLASS OF CAR!!!!
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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
funniest thing I've ever seen...of all the reputable automakers, THESE are the two you trust? lol good luck with your purchase.

EVO/Ralliart = good cars
Everything else mitsu makes = trash
Everything dodge makes = trash
hahaha so true. I tell people this all the time.

with the charger - the AWD is not in the same league as the that of the ralliart.
it is a part-time awd system which uses brakes to control slip.

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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 02:32 PM
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If you are looking at fuel costs at all, then the RA is not for you. It has really bad fuel millage. I haven't done better then 14 mpg yet. I only have 700 miles on mine but still, its pathetic...
Stig, I've noticed you mentioned this before in several other threads, but it seems like you're the only one having this problem, and yet the result of your posts is that you're leading potential Ralliart buyers to believe that this is the norm rather than the exception. I get mileage pretty close to the advertised 18 city and 25 highway mpg's in the colder months, and my mpg's are even better than that in the warmer months. If you're only getting 14 mpg's overall then I think you should get your car checked out at the dealership or try getting it dyno-tuned, but spreading this information as if it's the typical experience of most Ralliart owners is only serving to scare away potential buyers.

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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 03:07 PM
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Come on man, you ve been warned before..... And if Lancers, Galants, and outlanders are trash, why d they out sell the evo's and ralliarts last year?...Get your info straight. Down below is your fixed post, if you flame another member/ try to start a thing with us lancer guys again, I ll make sure a mod knows:

Originally Posted by ODUB
funniest thing I've ever seen...good luck with your purchase.
EVO/Ralliart = Great cars
Everything else mitsu makes = Ok, but you ll be trading up to the Evo/RA sometime
Everything dodge makes = trash

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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 08:07 PM
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100% go with ralliart all day every day
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Old Jan 30, 2011 | 09:23 PM
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Thanks for the feedback everyone....sounds like the charger is just another floating-chrome-box. I test drove a charger once a while back, it was a v6....I thought it was fast...of course back then it was only my second time driving a car....ever...

I wouldnt expect a car that long/fat to handle well..but I thought it would have more accel at the pedal, but apparently not : / especially when compared to turbo. WHY is the charger so aggressively marketed if it's just another luxury pos?

I've noticed alot of people questioning my faith in dodge...well I've owned nothing but dodge or mitsu's. My neon lasted 10 years without a single oil change, tune up, or anything. Just drove it till the wheels fell off...which they never really did...even after the timing belt snapped, I had it replaced and it started up fine...whereas my lancer had a darn meltdown after the timing went....

I would expect the maintenance on the charger to be fairly cheap when compared to the RA, BUT the RA would have fewer problems, from what I hear from you owners... and Gas mileage is NO concern of mine...I could squeeze 10mpg out of a prius if someone gave me the chance. it's the way I drive : / always in a hurry. I guess im just tired of mitsu's cheap interior...it's depressing me....and im not about to go into my savings to customize my DE when I KNOW i should just upgrade to RA.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE INPUT! my charger-boner is no more V_V
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Lancer XI1
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Come on man, you ve been warned before..... And if Lancers, Galants, and outlanders are trash, why d they out sell the evo's and ralliarts last year?...Get your info straight. Down below is your fixed post, if you flame another member/ try to start a thing with us lancer guys again, I ll make sure a mod knows:
haha thanks for the reprimand, Batman. I stick by my original post. there's no flaming in there, only truth. the fact that those other cars sell more than the EVO/Ralliart has nothing to do with their quality, and everything to do with the fact that those cars are mass produced/volume automobiles while the EVO and Ralliart are more of a specialty/niche vehicle. If you want to make that aregument, then I guess the outlander, lancers, and galants are better than the GT-R too.

Report me to whoever you want. I've done nothing wrong, and I stand by the fact that everything mitsubishi makes except the EVO and NOW the Ralliart (because the old Ralliart was garbage too) could be dumped into the atlantic ocean, and not only would no one notice, or care, but the world would be a better place for it.

If this guy is looking for a good AWD vehicle, he should get the Ralliart, the EVO X, TL-S, BMW 335xi, AWD G35, or some other GOOD vehicle. I'm just telling the truth. I'm not going to lie to the guy and tell him to buy a vehicle I know is going to suck. You can sit here and tell fairy tales about how great of a company Mitsubishi is all you want. I have not now, nor will I ever be a fan of Mitsubishi. They only thing they've ever done right is make the EVO. Even their TV's suck.
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 06:00 AM
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Really different cars.

I test drove over a dozen cars before my new car. Go out and drive

Originally Posted by stfuad
Unless you plan on getting a SRT-8 don't even bother with the charger. It'd be like buying a V6 mustang or a V6 Camaro. Who does that? Plus the V6 models probably have no resale value. If you do get a Ralliart find a slightly used one. You won't feel as butt hurt after you drive it off the lot.
A bit narrow minded. These three Pony cars are not equal.

Dodge - hefty hefty hefty. Interior is OK. Body styling is about the only thing going here. Not a fan of quality or its weight. Its a cruiser. V8 is needed to just move this thing.

Camaro - heavier too. Interior is GM interior. If you'd had a GM. Not much different. Not a fan of the front end on this car. Or the Transformer movies. I am immediately reminded by how terrible that movie is every time I see one of these cars.

Mustang - lightest of the Pony three here. And if you have not driven the 305 hp v6 - you should. stfuads narrow comment here...the v6 makes nearly as much hp stock as the 2010 GT 4.6 v8. With a few mods - more than. Exhaust note sounds great too. (yes, I own one of these).

Interior. Ford >. Right now. Mitsu still just doesn't have that fit/finish in my book.

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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 06:19 AM
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I didn't think about the camaro or the mustang because he said AWD, but if those two are in the mix, as much as I HATE to say it, the mustang is definitely worth a look. I always liked the way the camaro's looked, so while getting my EVO worked on at KevinD's shop, I rented one to roll around in for a few days.....terrible idea. I should have taken the camry. Visibility was horrible, and the seats were like sitting on my grandmother's sofa. After that experience, i'd never want to to anything but look at them from afar. the Stang on the other hand is now a very very good car.
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
haha thanks for the reprimand, Batman. I stick by my original post. there's no flaming in there, only truth. the fact that those other cars sell more than the EVO/Ralliart has nothing to do with their quality, and everything to do with the fact that those cars are mass produced/volume automobiles while the EVO and Ralliart are more of a specialty/niche vehicle. If you want to make that aregument, then I guess the outlander, lancers, and galants are better than the GT-R too.

Report me to whoever you want. I've done nothing wrong, and I stand by the fact that everything mitsubishi makes except the EVO and NOW the Ralliart (because the old Ralliart was garbage too) could be dumped into the atlantic ocean, and not only would no one notice, or care, but the world would be a better place for it.

If this guy is looking for a good AWD vehicle, he should get the Ralliart, the EVO X, TL-S, BMW 335xi, AWD G35, or some other GOOD vehicle. I'm just telling the truth. I'm not going to lie to the guy and tell him to buy a vehicle I know is going to suck. You can sit here and tell fairy tales about how great of a company Mitsubishi is all you want. I have not now, nor will I ever be a fan of Mitsubishi. They only thing they've ever done right is make the EVO. Even their TV's suck.

....well thats a biased idea since you never test drove any cars you tell other people are crap. OP, buy what you want and do what you want cause in the end its your car.
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sstevojr
Mitsu makes the Fuel Tables EXTREMELY rich to reduce the number of warranty claims.
How does this reduce warranty claims?
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 09:47 AM
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I have never driven a Charger, but I have always thought of them as "boats".... The HP numbers sound good, but it still won't get it moving that well...
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Lancer XI1
....well thats a biased idea since you never test drove any cars you tell other people are crap. OP, buy what you want and do what you want cause in the end its your car.
I have indeed driven both of the cars in question, as well as 100's of others not mentioned here. before I went into the petro-chemical field, I was in automotive sales. We sold Chevy, Honda, Hyundai, brand new, and had a HUGE used car inventory, and 2 locations. I've driven just about every car/truck you can think of, and sold them, and had to deal with the problems the customers had with the cars afterward. I always hated selling american vehicles because they almost always had problems that we had to pay to fix after the sale. Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, and Toyota were pretty much sell it and forget it. On top of that, I'm also in the market for a new car myself, and I've been test driving any and everything just because I enjoy car shopping. I've looked at Mitsu's, BMW's, Dodge, Ford, Chevy, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota, Lexus, Infiniti, and even drove a used Daewoo just to say I did it. Please don't try to imply that you know anything about the experience I have, or where I'm drawing my conclusions and opinions without first asking.

thank you again, Batman.
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 02:26 PM
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How does this reduce warranty claims?
Knowing that most people who buy this "type" of vehicle are going to drive it "some what hard" (or worse) they add lots of fuel as a safety barrier inside the engine (most "performance" oriented vehicles are set-up this way, i.e. Subaru, etc). By limiting the wear and tear, they are limiting the need for repairs, by extension limiting the need for warranty claims.
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Old Jan 31, 2011 | 03:06 PM
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In my honest opinion the Ralliart is a better car hands down...
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