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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 05:41 PM
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12.0 @ 113 very basic mods

116 gas, 3" exhaust, DSM 2.5" cold intake, AEM EMS, Hallman ES MBC
ACT Clutch and gauges as well. Weight 3380lb

12.845 @ 107.41 Spun in first 1.85 18psi 11's AF
12.645 @ 109.18 spun again 1.82 18psi
12.443 @ 112.15 bogged launch 1.72 18psi better tuning..AF 12.1
12.210 @ 111.74 1.639 Ahh traction 20psi some minor knock
12.024 @ 113.45 1.649 22psi

Soo close to 11's I can taste it. No powershifting yet, and I don't have the studderbox 2step rev limit working yet but I doubt that would have helped the 60' already as IMHO they were very good once the track dried up.

Going to try and hit 11's next weekend without having to do anything drastic, hopefully just hammer som better shifts.

Still having issues getting the accell load enrichment to work, and that was causing AF and knock issues at the begining of each gear.

Overall Im extremely happy with the EMS. Car has never been on a dyno, only street tuning so far. Love it. Best mod I have done to ANY car...and I run a full time DSM shop.

I have a math for the AEM logger software that calculates HP and torque using the RPM acceleration rate and the weight of the car. It's showing about 340whp on the 113mph run. That sound about right for the weight/mph im running?
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 06:02 PM
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AWESOME....Congrats .
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:04 AM
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Nice times. I hear AEM EMS does wonder to the EVO 8. Stil deciding whether to upgrade turbo or just go AEM next year.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:17 AM
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Go with the AEM EMS, then make a choice on stock or upgraded turbo later. Nice times for such few mods, this illustrates the power of stand alone systems, but flashes aren't so bad for the price.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:28 AM
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How's the daily drivability with the EMS?
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by number 8
How's the daily drivability with the EMS?
Bootyful-Better than stock
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by number 8
How's the daily drivability with the EMS?
I got 240miles to my first tank of gas with ems. I got 290+ with the last tank (let wot)

it runs real clean once it's warmed up. I need to spend more time with the cold startup and coolant/fuel maps to ge it to run clean while warming up. Starting it in the morning if it's 40*F requires throttle movement. My tuning issues...nothing EMS's fault.

I tuned it using the Boost Comp method, once fuel map was close..turned on o2 feedback. That makes the gas mileage great.

no complaints at all with the EMS, Im going to buy one for my talon and go for 9's and put one in my dailey driver galant in the spring.

ofcourse...standard disclaimer....the ECU is only as good as it's tuner. so if your not going to learn how to tune it yourself, don't expect great results with just a couple dyno pulls and off you go.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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Just ordered 264's going in next week. I didn't expect rollbar to be the 5th or 6th modification. oh well
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Great runs... But how are these mods "basic"
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 06:24 PM
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Great runs... But how are these mods "basic"
Well I don't consider exhaust, intake, boost controller, ecu, and clutch to be anything major. The only thing different from "stage 1" is the aem.

I guess everyone has thier own option of what is basic and what is significant.

Im used to DSM's that would require a FMIC, turbo upgrade, injectors, fuel pump and MAF upgrade to run close to as well as evo's seem to. That is what Im used to calling "standard upgrades".

major or significant stuff is cams, headwork, built shortblock.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 07:43 PM
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Excellent times, and those are minor mods in the grand scheme of things, I think the EMS is giving you excellent results though I wish it was a little cheaper *sigh* (I know it's a complete replacement but we can but dream )
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DSMotorsport
Well I don't consider exhaust, intake, boost controller, ecu, and clutch to be anything major. The only thing different from "stage 1" is the aem.

I guess everyone has thier own option of what is basic and what is significant.

Im used to DSM's that would require a FMIC, turbo upgrade, injectors, fuel pump and MAF upgrade to run close to as well as evo's seem to. That is what Im used to calling "standard upgrades".

major or significant stuff is cams, headwork, built shortblock.

"The only thing different... is the aem"

Precisely. There is nothing "basic" about going with stand alone engine management IMO
FMIC coupled with ceramic coating the exhaust manifold will get you into the high 11's

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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 4-BNGR
"The only thing different... is the aem"

Precisely. There is nothing "basic" about going with stand alone engine management IMO
FMIC coupled with ceramic coating the exhaust manifold will get you into the high 11's

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Eh pass on the fmic for now, Im only seeing a 20* rise in temp from the starting line up through 4th gear. It's within a few degree's of what some of my DSM guys are seeing with big spearco FMIC's at the same boost level. I think the FMIC would be money spent to gain little at this point. I have a greddy Vspec on the shelf here I could put on anytime, but I can't justify the $800 price knowing what the temps are.

Doing 264 hks cams on wednsday of next week. That's probobly the most cost effective next mod. Holding out for an 11's as is though for this weekend.

I still recomend any Evo owner to do the EMS, basic or not as a "right away" mod. Definatly before cams/turbo/intake manifold/fmic. It worked WAY better than AFC, and I had it setup to run the car decent within two hours using a known basemap. This is my first time tuning a standalone and first time using the AEM.

It may be a very sophisticated setup, but if you can follow the instructions on how to wire in an AFC and can follow the promts to install windows on your computer, than the EMS is no stretch for the average joe.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 08:46 PM
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Excellent times, and those are minor mods in the grand scheme of things, I think the EMS is giving you excellent results though I wish it was a little cheaper *sigh* (I know it's a complete replacement but we can but dream )
Yeah the AEM is a kick in the rear for initial price. BUT it has an exceptional internal datalogger, TONS of support and info, and all the features you could possibly use.

Pleople are spending close to that much $ on FMIC, pipes, bov's and such and not gaining the power that the EMS can yeald.

Im looking back at the last 3 years I spend screwing around with piggybacks and chipped stock ecu's in my talon...Im kicking myself for not getting on the AEM backwagon when it first came out.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DSMotorsport
Eh pass on the fmic for now, Im only seeing a 20* rise in temp from the starting line up through 4th gear. It's within a few degree's of what some of my DSM guys are seeing with big spearco FMIC's at the same boost level. I think the FMIC would be money spent to gain little at this point. I have a greddy Vspec on the shelf here I could put on anytime, but I can't justify the $800 price knowing what the temps are.

Doing 264 hks cams on wednsday of next week. That's probobly the most cost effective next mod. Holding out for an 11's as is though for this weekend.

I still recomend any Evo owner to do the EMS, basic or not as a "right away" mod. Definatly before cams/turbo/intake manifold/fmic. It worked WAY better than AFC, and I had it setup to run the car decent within two hours using a known basemap. This is my first time tuning a standalone and first time using the AEM.

It may be a very sophisticated setup, but if you can follow the instructions on how to wire in an AFC and can follow the promts to install windows on your computer, than the EMS is no stretch for the average joe.
Are you willing to share some tuning info?

All I really need is a good ignition curve baseline for C-16 to start out with dyno tuning the car. I could start with the pump gas curve I already have, but I think I would save myself quite a few dyno pulls if I start off with someone elses C-16 curve, make it 5 deg more conservative across the board (since every car is different) and tune from there.

Thanks,

Keith
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