The 1313U is a 1313 with integrated wideband controller and a sensor.

 

This shouldn't be discussed in this thread as it's gone way .
Hopefully a mod will move it.

The BS is spoken racegate...not the truth. I didn't even talk to Zeitronix.
I got one unit for someone from another shop to see what it was all about and that one worked fine. The three failed units I spoke of were not bought from my shop and the customers dealt with Zeitronix directly regarding their issues. I had no part in it. I stated here what my customers told me were their experiences. Their experience was enough for me not to sell another unit. I seriously doubt their stories were fabricated.

TTP is referring to the one customer's experience that I PMd him about. The customer told me he had taped the weatherpack connector which is about 2 feet from the sensor. I do this too and this has nothing to do with the sensor getting air. It's supposed to be watertight to protect the electrical connection, which it's not. I know because I've lost 4 sensors from street tuning cars and going through small puddles. I have tons of electrical tape plus plastic on the one I use for street tuning now and it reads perfectly, plus I've been using it in the rain without killing the sensor. Mine reads the same as the Autronic on our dyno. As mentioned in the PM I sent you, the customer's sensor worked fine when he tested it with a friend's Zeitronix wideband controller, it was the controller that was the problem.

Tape here:



edit: I just called tech support for another wideband company and told them I have been wrapping the connector I specified in my above picture with electrical tape to help keep water from splashing in the connector and frying the sensor during street tuning. I said someone was telling me that this throws off wideband readings. They said while electrical tape might not keep all the water out, it's not hurting anything and certainly isn't throwing off wideband readings.

Telling a customer that taping this harness caused his sensor to die, when tape does hurt anything AND the sensor he sent in functioned perfectly when tested on another wideband controller is BS and shady business practice. They just didn't want to provide good customer service. It's the same as the dealer voiding your engine warranty because you put a K&N filter in the stock airbox. While many dealers pull this kind of nonsense, customers have more choices when purchasing aftermarket parts. As a parts dealer I chose to sell products sold by vendors who stand behind their product and service their customers well rather than trying to skip out on service by stating bogus excuses. I didn't want to get into a big discussion, but when you try to discredit what these customers told me they went through and cover up for a vendor that tries to skip out on service, that's just not right.

 

I dont like the integrated unit.....for one reason. Lets just say for the sake of arguemen
that the AEM is NOT the best unit out there (it isnt) and you want to change...you CAN'T, and what if the unit goes? Scrap the whole unit for just a wideband problem?

For the money spent LM and PLX widebands are a better value and I feel the Innovative LM units work very well. PLX has a great rep and have some really cool units, like the R300. The R500 is awesome but overkill for AEM users as there are many double features. Th 300 is fantastic and has a lot to offer. Good luck!

 

I see your point regarding a potential UEGO controller failure feldguy. I haven't seen it happen and I would say that the AEM wideband controller is no more likely to fail then another, but for you to get it fixed you'd have to send out your ECU. You wouldn't be scrapping it as AEM has great service for EMS hardware issues, but some people woudln't be able to drive their car while the ECU was out for service. Again I'd say the odds of this being an issue are VERY slight.

 

Sorry for the novel. Here are The Cliff's Notes:

For someone with an AEM EMS, I'd recommend the AEM UEGO gauge or the Innovate XD-1 gauge kit if you run pump or pump + meth. If you run race fuel, I'd recommend an FJO setup with the NTK sensor.

Personally, I'd recommend the 30-1313 and a seperate wideband with display. The AEM UEGO gauge is very inexpensive. Of all the widebands we've sold, it's also the one we've had the most returns on. That said, it's been a while since we've had one come back. It seems like AEM's electronics typically don't get the "bugs" worked out until a short while after they've hit the consumer market (i.e. the EMS, the UEGO gauge, the C2DI).

Our normal recommendation for a wideband will depend on what fuel you run. If you are a pump gas or pump + meth kind of guy, we would suggest the Innovate or AEM with the cheaper Bosch sensor. If you run a lot of leaded fuel, we suggest the FJO. It uses the significantly more expensive NTK sensor. However, we've seen people kill the Bosch sensor in two weeks of race gas use while we have another customer that practically daily drives on C16. I believe he's had the same NTK sensor for a year and a half.

You could argue that the FJO controller is much more robust in every sense. Check out the "torture video" on FJO's site.

We don't sell Zeitronix, but it is my understanding that they are an excellent alternative to the AEM or Innovate options. However, it does seem to include some functions which I - personally - would find superfluous if I was running an AEM. For example, the Lambda and EGT display and logging functions - not much use to most people. Also, the logging in general becomes redundant when you have the AEM.

 

Jack makes a good point about leaded fuel use. The PLX units also use the sensor Innovate and AEM use. I agree it dies a lot more quickly than some others when used with leaded fuel.

 

Guys the original question was about which AEM box is better the 1313U with the integrated wideband or the 1313 without the integrated one. Please keep on this topic, if you want to discuss your prefernce of widebands open up a new thread.

 

Check the cost on the PLX sensors...all things equal, you can also remove the sensor for every day driving. Ensuring the sensor is positioned correctly, which is 24" away from the turbo. I figure that no wideband sensor is going to maintain total accuracy for a long duration. Being the specific nature of the unit, you'd wanna be extra careful with them if you arent interested in replacing them frequently.

 

I guess you can pretty much integrate any WB to the EMS, and have it log AFR's in the EMS, right?

 

just picked up a 1313 and gonna stick with the LM-1 for now.. thanks for the info everyone

 

That is correct. You can integrate any wideband to the AEM unit.