AEM vs. Autronics
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I was asked to come here and check this out. I have thousands of hours invested in using the AEM EMS. It is a passion messing with it. I have never used an Autronics unit. I did go check out the link that is posted for them and took a very quick look around. I don't see anything that stands out and makes me want to switch over. The things that the Autronic does looks like the AEM unit does too. I didn't look at pricing as I don't really care and know the AEM EMS is priced very right.
The AEM is a plug and play system. There are hundreds of shops that tune with them (although only a few that I would personally let tune MY car).
I will also be honest enough to say it has its downsides. I actually typed out a bunch of them but deleted them. I don't see any sense in putting myself in a bad situation with some of the problems that flat out **** me off with it. Let's just say the support on the site/phone leaves something to be desired sometimes and the lack of perfecting a new version BEFORE releasing it is really annoying.
I will say this though. The problems I encounter with it would be 10 times with any other unit in my opinion. The AEM is very much a true "plug and play" unit. It can be installed in an EVO in less than an hour even using speed density. I can have one running in minutes. I have hundreds of base maps for so many combinations. I think using a tuner that is very familar with YOUR type of car and has done MANY is a huge help.
I am confident there are things in the AEM EMS program that I know that either no one else does or is too lazy to do. It comes from never stopping to try and make each tune better of find new things that it does.
I am sure the Autronic and Motec units are top notch. I am also going to say I bet they aren't nearly as easy to use and the support, since there are very few tuners in the USA for either, would suck. Trying to get factory support seems to be a PITA no matter what you are doing.
One other feature of the AEM, not sure if the other units have it, is the boost fuel correct feature. What this does is let's you basically tune the car at any given boost level and then the ECU corrects from there for any other boost level. It is probably the number one thing about the unit that makes tuning extremely fast and takes away the worry of running different boost levels and not having the map right.
Just some input. I am actually waiting for Motec to release their EVO9 unit. When they do I am going to get it. Looking forward to it actually.
The AEM is a plug and play system. There are hundreds of shops that tune with them (although only a few that I would personally let tune MY car).
I will also be honest enough to say it has its downsides. I actually typed out a bunch of them but deleted them. I don't see any sense in putting myself in a bad situation with some of the problems that flat out **** me off with it. Let's just say the support on the site/phone leaves something to be desired sometimes and the lack of perfecting a new version BEFORE releasing it is really annoying.
I will say this though. The problems I encounter with it would be 10 times with any other unit in my opinion. The AEM is very much a true "plug and play" unit. It can be installed in an EVO in less than an hour even using speed density. I can have one running in minutes. I have hundreds of base maps for so many combinations. I think using a tuner that is very familar with YOUR type of car and has done MANY is a huge help.
I am confident there are things in the AEM EMS program that I know that either no one else does or is too lazy to do. It comes from never stopping to try and make each tune better of find new things that it does.
I am sure the Autronic and Motec units are top notch. I am also going to say I bet they aren't nearly as easy to use and the support, since there are very few tuners in the USA for either, would suck. Trying to get factory support seems to be a PITA no matter what you are doing.
One other feature of the AEM, not sure if the other units have it, is the boost fuel correct feature. What this does is let's you basically tune the car at any given boost level and then the ECU corrects from there for any other boost level. It is probably the number one thing about the unit that makes tuning extremely fast and takes away the worry of running different boost levels and not having the map right.
Just some input. I am actually waiting for Motec to release their EVO9 unit. When they do I am going to get it. Looking forward to it actually.
In regards to the boost fuel feature, that is there in the AEM to get more resolution in the main fuel map as it is limited to 255 max in raw numbers. Motec also has this feature as a secondary compensation as well, and the ability to have 4D graphing, the possibilities are endless with a Motec M800.
Boost fuel compensation can be a pain sometimes when you are tuning at a boost level that is not in the best effeciency island of the turbo. That's why hybrid boost compensation mapping is key.
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LIsten man.. you can get whatever you want to get.... AEM, Haltech, Hydra, Motec, HKS, Autronic..whatver pleases your mind. But just rememeber that your car will run just as good as the tune. Thus meaning the tuner.
Originally Posted by platinumspecv
LIsten man.. you can get whatever you want to get.... AEM, Haltech, Hydra, Motec, HKS, Autronic..whatver pleases your mind. But just rememeber that your car will run just as good as the tune. Thus meaning the tuner.
You would never encounter firmware that wasnt properly tested with a Autronic, MoTeC, etc unit...thats limited to the AEM as its more of a "community" platform where a lot of the users end up beta testing at their expense. I'm not saying AEM isn't good about fixing problems, but some of these problems just shouldn't exist outside their lab in the first place! Don't get me wrong, for the price the AEM is hard to beat, but I think its worth atleast considering other options, especially if you don't need knock control which is its major selling point (which btw in ver 1.19 on the EVO seems to not work perfectly 
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And the 'feature' of boost comp. is not limited to just AEM. Thats nothing new by any stretch of the imagination.
)And the 'feature' of boost comp. is not limited to just AEM. Thats nothing new by any stretch of the imagination.
Last edited by racegate; Apr 28, 2006 at 11:10 AM.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Just some input. I am actually waiting for Motec to release their EVO9 unit. When they do I am going to get it. Looking forward to it actually.
Motec M800 OEM ECU-$1600GBP ($2920.53)
Map Sensor-$75GBP ($136.90)
Temp Probe-$25GBP ($45.63)
3 Port Boost Solenoid-$125GBP ($228.20)
EVERYTHING IN STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I was asked to come here and check this out. I have thousands of hours invested in using the AEM EMS. It is a passion messing with it. I have never used an Autronics unit. I did go check out the link that is posted for them and took a very quick look around. I don't see anything that stands out and makes me want to switch over. The things that the Autronic does looks like the AEM unit does too. I didn't look at pricing as I don't really care and know the AEM EMS is priced very right.
The AEM is a plug and play system. There are hundreds of shops that tune with them (although only a few that I would personally let tune MY car).
I will also be honest enough to say it has its downsides. I actually typed out a bunch of them but deleted them. I don't see any sense in putting myself in a bad situation with some of the problems that flat out **** me off with it. Let's just say the support on the site/phone leaves something to be desired sometimes and the lack of perfecting a new version BEFORE releasing it is really annoying.
I will say this though. The problems I encounter with it would be 10 times with any other unit in my opinion. The AEM is very much a true "plug and play" unit. It can be installed in an EVO in less than an hour even using speed density. I can have one running in minutes. I have hundreds of base maps for so many combinations. I think using a tuner that is very familar with YOUR type of car and has done MANY is a huge help.
I am confident there are things in the AEM EMS program that I know that either no one else does or is too lazy to do. It comes from never stopping to try and make each tune better of find new things that it does.
I am sure the Autronic and Motec units are top notch. I am also going to say I bet they aren't nearly as easy to use and the support, since there are very few tuners in the USA for either, would suck. Trying to get factory support seems to be a PITA no matter what you are doing.
One other feature of the AEM, not sure if the other units have it, is the boost fuel correct feature. What this does is let's you basically tune the car at any given boost level and then the ECU corrects from there for any other boost level. It is probably the number one thing about the unit that makes tuning extremely fast and takes away the worry of running different boost levels and not having the map right.
Just some input. I am actually waiting for Motec to release their EVO9 unit. When they do I am going to get it. Looking forward to it actually.
The AEM is a plug and play system. There are hundreds of shops that tune with them (although only a few that I would personally let tune MY car).
I will also be honest enough to say it has its downsides. I actually typed out a bunch of them but deleted them. I don't see any sense in putting myself in a bad situation with some of the problems that flat out **** me off with it. Let's just say the support on the site/phone leaves something to be desired sometimes and the lack of perfecting a new version BEFORE releasing it is really annoying.
I will say this though. The problems I encounter with it would be 10 times with any other unit in my opinion. The AEM is very much a true "plug and play" unit. It can be installed in an EVO in less than an hour even using speed density. I can have one running in minutes. I have hundreds of base maps for so many combinations. I think using a tuner that is very familar with YOUR type of car and has done MANY is a huge help.
I am confident there are things in the AEM EMS program that I know that either no one else does or is too lazy to do. It comes from never stopping to try and make each tune better of find new things that it does.
I am sure the Autronic and Motec units are top notch. I am also going to say I bet they aren't nearly as easy to use and the support, since there are very few tuners in the USA for either, would suck. Trying to get factory support seems to be a PITA no matter what you are doing.
One other feature of the AEM, not sure if the other units have it, is the boost fuel correct feature. What this does is let's you basically tune the car at any given boost level and then the ECU corrects from there for any other boost level. It is probably the number one thing about the unit that makes tuning extremely fast and takes away the worry of running different boost levels and not having the map right.
Just some input. I am actually waiting for Motec to release their EVO9 unit. When they do I am going to get it. Looking forward to it actually.
one more to consider, the Hydra. comes complete out of the box. it uses the stock ait sensor has its own built in map sensor. you connect the harness and a vacuum line and you are ready.
But to this day no one has taken the lead with this product for evos. tuners for evo hydras are few and far between.
It is simple enough that except for a few elements it is easy to use.
But to this day no one has taken the lead with this product for evos. tuners for evo hydras are few and far between.
It is simple enough that except for a few elements it is easy to use.
I distribute and tune them both. I love them both and I have tuned ALOT of them. Autronics has its upside while AEM has other options that I enjoy as well. It really is just a matter of what the customer would like in there car. As for the tuner in colorado, check out Harvey at Superrepair in boulder. He knows the Autronic well and i think that he can tune the AEM as well.
Originally Posted by Magnumpsi
I distribute and tune them both. I love them both and I have tuned ALOT of them. Autronics has its upside while AEM has other options that I enjoy as well. It really is just a matter of what the customer would like in there car. As for the tuner in colorado, check out Harvey at Superrepair in boulder. He knows the Autronic well and i think that he can tune the AEM as well.
I have the Autronic PnP. I went from driving my car into a my buddys garage, pluging in the autronic ECU, installing the AIT sensor, taping my boost gauge line for the internal map sensor, and starting the car right up the first time with the supplied evo basemap from autronic and backing out of the garage all within 30 mins. It's a TRUE PLUG & PLAY system...... My reasoning for autronic over aem is all the horror storyes of the aem system. I have a buddy with a 900whp supra with aem and on a few occasions the unit randomly lost the map among other things. This was a common occurance from alot of users.... They are two totally different systems, Autronic is baised off of volumetric efficency so the software/mapping will look weird to a aem user. When i bought my autronic the aem system would have cost more after purchaseing all the extra parts that the aem ecu doesnt come with, whers I told autronic I wanted a PnP ECU for my Evo VIII and got everything I needed. The autronic tech fourm is pretty rapid as far as answering questions. Ben Strader founder of EFI 101 is an avid user of the forum and provides alot of help along with other users and the big wigs of autronic in the land down under... With any system you will find your own personal likes and dislikes and neither system will yeld more power than the other. Both are systems that will only preform as good as the person usng it. I have really enjoyed my Autronic EMS and have found it very easy to use. I haven't once second guessed my purchase even though I really don't need it. I suggest downloading both systems, and look through them to see which one is easier for you to navigate, because you will be the one using it.....
I need to input something here.
I still have not used an Autronic system so this has nothing to do with them.
I said in an earlier post that the AEM has its problems. I'd imagine they all do BUT when I typed that we were having troubles with the car and that is what I was pointing my finger to. Ends up in actuality that it had nothing to do with the AEM box and was a wiring problem in our black car from buying the car totaled.
Last week at the Mitsubishi VS. EVO shootout atleast the top 6-7 EVO's there were all running the AEM EMS and running flawlessly. Our personal car ran 9.6 at 155 mph, AMS ran 9.1 at 162 and Al who I also tuned ran 9.7 at 150 mph. My daily driven RS ran 11.11 at 124, Jarrod's car ran 11.04 at 128.
Good system, only as good as the guy at the keyboard though.
I still have not used an Autronic system so this has nothing to do with them.
I said in an earlier post that the AEM has its problems. I'd imagine they all do BUT when I typed that we were having troubles with the car and that is what I was pointing my finger to. Ends up in actuality that it had nothing to do with the AEM box and was a wiring problem in our black car from buying the car totaled.
Last week at the Mitsubishi VS. EVO shootout atleast the top 6-7 EVO's there were all running the AEM EMS and running flawlessly. Our personal car ran 9.6 at 155 mph, AMS ran 9.1 at 162 and Al who I also tuned ran 9.7 at 150 mph. My daily driven RS ran 11.11 at 124, Jarrod's car ran 11.04 at 128.
Good system, only as good as the guy at the keyboard though.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I need to input something here.
I still have not used an Autronic system so this has nothing to do with them.
I said in an earlier post that the AEM has its problems. I'd imagine they all do BUT when I typed that we were having troubles with the car and that is what I was pointing my finger to. Ends up in actuality that it had nothing to do with the AEM box and was a wiring problem in our black car from buying the car totaled.
Last week at the Mitsubishi VS. EVO shootout atleast the top 6-7 EVO's there were all running the AEM EMS and running flawlessly. Our personal car ran 9.6 at 155 mph, AMS ran 9.1 at 162 and Al who I also tuned ran 9.7 at 150 mph. My daily driven RS ran 11.11 at 124, Jarrod's car ran 11.04 at 128.
Good system, only as good as the guy at the keyboard though.
I still have not used an Autronic system so this has nothing to do with them.
I said in an earlier post that the AEM has its problems. I'd imagine they all do BUT when I typed that we were having troubles with the car and that is what I was pointing my finger to. Ends up in actuality that it had nothing to do with the AEM box and was a wiring problem in our black car from buying the car totaled.
Last week at the Mitsubishi VS. EVO shootout atleast the top 6-7 EVO's there were all running the AEM EMS and running flawlessly. Our personal car ran 9.6 at 155 mph, AMS ran 9.1 at 162 and Al who I also tuned ran 9.7 at 150 mph. My daily driven RS ran 11.11 at 124, Jarrod's car ran 11.04 at 128.
Good system, only as good as the guy at the keyboard though.