There is none!


I have been seeing a lot of shops on the internet stating that they are Certified through AEM. I have even seen many go as far as saying they are Master Certified.

Unfortunately the general public does not know any better. And these shops are wooing people in the doors with misinformation.

Below is the only certificate you can receive from AEM. It is for their training course and not a certification. In fact it does not even mean you can tune or know how to tune. Just that you took a course to learn how to navigate the AEM Software.

Just trying to give you guys a heads-up! I am warn out with all the misinformation in this industry. It gives some of the honest guys a bad name. (the whole guilt with association thing)


Thanks Guys!
Chris Macellaro

 

Chris, good to see you on evom

Chris knows what he is talking about.

In fact I have a personal bad experience with this.

A guy tuned my car in NC, it was actually my old SRT4 with a 50trim/ems. He said he was a certified AEM EMS tuner, so i was stupid and trusted him.

They tuned it enough to set my boost and my WOT. The car was barely driveable back to GA. All kinds of problems including blown rings and blown (oil starved turbo) All from the tuning that was done in NC. Chris might recall some of the problems including too rich, timing, boost, wrong injectors set, etc.

Before knowing all the issues I immediately made an appt with Chris. Chris explained there was no so such certification which really bothered me that someone would lie like that just to get a few bucks.

Chris tuned my car and it ran 100% better even with blown rings and the bad turbo (which at the time I didn't know). I actually felt comfortable driving it home to get it repaired. It drove fine and I had no problems getting the 3 hours home.

Chris if you recall, I believe the initial pull the car was so rich that Andrew's dyno would not read that low and I believe his reads down to 9.0AFR

Anyhow, to the point.

Be careful who you let tune your car. Especially, something like the EMS which will take many hours to tune.


Chris, good info for other people that may run into this so called "certified ems tuner".


Can't wait to you tune my car... Check out my sig

 

you are wrong

AEM had one class for AEM Advanced Certification. Only a couple of people were in this class.

Lance Holung ( toyomoto)
Larry from SP
Mark from Turbotrix
and a couple more people.

Thanks bye

 

Nothing would supprise me honestly, some that state they are certified should not be tuning from what I have personally seen. It is very unfortunate for several customers and from AEM's standpoint becuase the tune is what will make or brake the product.

 

No sir, you have been misinformed. Straight from the horses mouth... Mitch Pederson the man who does all of AEM's in house training was very specific when I asked him that question. There is absolutely no certification program. Although there are a few guys who do training and other things with AEM that travel around, No internal certification program is in place.


Now... unless Mitch lied to me (I think not) and I am wrong, then show me proof. Otherwise it is the whole he said she said thing. Just show us proof! Credentials, Certificates?



thank you
Chris Macellaro

 

thats eye opening information.

 

Actually... there is such a thing as being an AEM master tuner.

A couple of years ago Jason Siebels (then engineer at AEM) put on a 3 day course for 6 tuners who had a good amount of experience with the AEM. These 6 people were then noted as being "AEM Master Tuners". These 6 people were:

Lance Holung ( toyomoto)
Sean Ivey
Mark from Turbotrix - AS STATED ABOVE

The other 3 were:
Larry Prebis from Sound Performance in Chicago
Justin Nenni from Tuning Concepts in Austin TX
John Reed from RRev Motorsports in Portland OR

 

This is the certificate for passing the master training class, it does not say certified, but this is what everyone else is talking about.. Pretty much the same thing.







NICE

 

That is very neat guys!

I think the terminology is being widely misused in this industry for the sake of making a sale to a customer. I know that many more shops than these 6 men visit or work for/at are saying they are certified in one way or another. I do feel that it tarnishes the reputation of other shops/tuners. Some of these shops have had so called certified AEM tuners do a lot of damage to unsuspecting customer's cars. I am sure that you guys have had to fix more than a few yourselves.


I know it would be very hard for AEM to police, so I think the general public needs truthful information. In my opinion, I feel if the guys(shops) that hold actual credentials will present these to the customer upfront, it would increase customer awareness. If people walk in to a tuner shop and know what to ask for upfront, a lot of these bad situations that plague this industry what start to get resolved. This would be no different than an average person walking into a regular mechanic shop and seeing an ASE certification on the wall. Lawyers and Doctors have to have them, so should we.



neat guys, thank you
Chris Macellaro

 

Thanks. The other one was Mitch who now works for AEM but didnt at the time. Sean was not in the course, hes just an ecellent tuner.

 

it is very true that every shop trying to make a sale on an aem unit and tuning says that they are master certified or states that they have some sort of certification. i work at a shop in el paso texas and when we do have some one that has the power and money to want to purchase an aem unit we have flown in Justin Nenni to tune it and will continue to do so.

 

you guys are awesome looking out for us other guys, i have some serious questions about the ems since i am occuring probs. i got this website is it trust worthy for d/l the program? http://forum.aempower.com/forum/index.php?topic=17194.0


also i think my ems took a dump i dont have a lap top and now the car wont start after a balance shaft delete kit was installed. I am in panama cith fl and the closest tuner is 6 hours away either orlando or atlanta.

is there a way to know if the comp lost the tune w/o the laptop? and ho long would it take to retune a tuned ems to be more aggresive? i was told 2-3 hours to fully tune the ems

 

If i was the average Joe i wouldn't trust anyone but Tuners who have sucessfully take the EFI 101 traning class.

I've taken EFI 101, EFI advanced and the EFI, Accelerated Certificatiom, and Motec V3 classes (all paid for by work)

Unless you've taken the time to do In Cylinder pressure analysis on a motor to squeeze out ane extra 2-5hp you've never really tuned a car.

 

I don't see any EVO 9 owners. Is this system available for the 9

 

For there to be a certification there must be some sort of test, there is no testing as far as I know.
Either way, if you arrived at the aem course and you couldn't tune then you would leave in the same fashion.


Sean