I figured it must be a slow track or something. Your gains of 1.3 sec and 10mph trap is definitely noticeable. FWIW, my car is running a lower trap, but a lower ET...the difference probably being my 1.7 60ft. Work on that 60ft, you could shave .2 pretty quickly! G/L.

 

We left Manuel's car tuned for teh street, and that is crappy gas,a nd hot summer. From our point, we always have to expect teh worst conditions on teh car. We do not want to tune it to the brink of detonation, and then pull half degree timing. Then it gets hot outside, the customer is in AZ with 87 octane only, and decide to pull 23psi

If Manuel is going to the track with a good clutch, and lets me put some race gas, and bump the boost, then we are talking...

George

 

Its either the track or driving with all those mods. I was just at the shootout in Englishtown and ran a 12.9 at 104 with catless turboback and a very conservative SAFC settings, boost holding to 20. Best mph for me was 106.93. YOur car is good for low 12's with good driving at right track. your choice of mods is very nice.

Shane

 

Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think that the times I'm posting are 50-50 due to the slow track and my driving. I've never been able yet to master the shifting . The launching needs lots of work as well....
It's good to remember that all tracks are not created equal... Although I've heard people post fabulous times in the Rockies The 1100' altitude of the Commerce track seems to have a noticeable effect. Many ppl who run at Silver Dollar and Commerce have told me that the Silver Dollar is around 5/10s quicker than Commerce.... The biggest difference between those tracks (in paper at least) is several hundred feet of difference in elevation.....

Update: the reason my times and traps are as unimpressive as they appear is because my car only puts down 259.5 whp..... I guess the number of mods and $$ spent is not necessarily an indicator of the power the car makes

 

I love sleepers

 

Well, I like sleepers too, but I'm afraid the Greddy IC gives me away every time
Lamentably, the sleeper effect is also lost because my car is not performing like a sleeper should.... Looks like the ET's and trap speeds are actually quite consistent with the power output of my car. A recent dyno base line shows my car making 259.5 whp Not so good considering the scope of the mods I have in my car

 

Ok I'm very confused by this, your right the E.T. and Trap does fall in line with your dyno HP figures, but why is your car not making the HP that it should be making. According to your dyno figures your car only made like 20 to 30HP to the wheels with all those mods. I mean that just doesn't make any sense, plenty of EVOs with way less in modifications that pull more HP than yours. It's not just EVOs, theroritically all turbo cars period, make power easily and your car with your mods should be making around or more than 350AWHP not 250AWHP, so what's going on? Have you found out any reasons for this? Something has to be wrong?

My bad, this is already been discussed

 

His car was tested on a DynoDynamics Dyno. They read roughly 20% less than a dynojet or dynopack. its (WHP) * 1.2 = adjusted Dyno HP or roughly 312whp

 

Yes, it's been discussed but it's OK to bring it up again. The reason my car makes such low power compared to other cars with less mods is because it is not tuned properly. The single most important part of getting the most out of a car is to get a competent and skilled tuner to work on it. Unfortunately I chose badly in that department Anyway, the world does not end because of this... I'll get the car sorted out as much as possible and with some good expert help I'll probably get substantially higher number at the next dyno/tuning session

 

No, I highly doubt his car is making 312WHP, his 1/4 mile times and speed do not suggest this. He ran a 13.1 with all those mods, and frankly that is very dissapointing, yet I know with driving improvement he can shave off .3 to .4 tenths of that 13.1, still disappointing. Yet what is really disappointing is his trap speed, 105MPH, now sorry, slipping clutch or not, bad driving or not, he should run 110MPH+ trap speeds. Look at AMS who suffered slipping clutch problems, and ran a lower than expected 11.3 E.T., yet despite this they ran a 134MPH trap speed, which easily suggest 10s. A 105MPH trap speed points to a smaller than expected power increase, say 20 to 30HP. I believe on his best day driving his EVO, on a great track, he might be able to pull off say a 12.8@105MPH or 106MPH, once again, very disappointing, when you factor in his mods and money spent. Yet like I said all this has been and already is being discussed.

 

The Commerce track here in Georgia is considered a "Slow" track. My stock EVO ran a 14.3 @ 97mph. This time and trap was about what other stock EVO's were running at the time. I believe SilverEVO8 even ran a time similar to mine when he was stock. Even STI's are "slow" on this track stock. No one here in Atlanta has ever been able to replicate what the magazines and other stock EVO's from across the country run. However, if you go south of Atlanta to Silver Dollar you can run better times, though I'm not sure what the time difference between the two tracks would be. A lot of it has to do with the different weather conditions here in Georgia, versus other locations. We have a much higher humidity level here than other parts in the country and I'm sure that has a lot to do with it. Elevation may also be key to why Commerce is a “slow” track.

 

No man, the track is not at fault in this case. regardless of everything else, I should be trapping at 110 or 112 mph if I had the right power. Ryan ran a much quicker 1/4 mile and faster traps with far less mods and he outweights me by 200 pounds ..... If my car made the horsepower that all that money I spent should have bought, I'd be turning low 12s and 110+ traps all day long.......

 

You are right, I turned almost the same times at both tracks. if I can trap 110 MPH that is a low 12. I really don't care that much about the time MPH = power.