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Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
wow, that makes zero sense...
If 23.5 is the PEAK boost you are seeing, and someone asks you how much boost your running, why the hell would you say 25-26. only an idiot would make a statement like that.
to me it sounds like your jealious about his 'so-so' runs as you call it because he is almost as fast as you with less power mods. don't hate, if you have nothing positive to say then just sit back and stfu. it gets real old opening every thread and seeing you arguing with everyone like its you job.
If 23.5 is the PEAK boost you are seeing, and someone asks you how much boost your running, why the hell would you say 25-26. only an idiot would make a statement like that.
to me it sounds like your jealious about his 'so-so' runs as you call it because he is almost as fast as you with less power mods. don't hate, if you have nothing positive to say then just sit back and stfu. it gets real old opening every thread and seeing you arguing with everyone like its you job.
Yeah, why bother learning what your car is actually doing, or more importantly: what you are doing to your car
Just go to the track and let 'er rip!Warrtalon isn't arguing with anyone. The OP said "tell me what you think guys" as in "please help me analyze my runs."
Warrtalon et al are analyzing the run and explaining what the boost level (a pretty important part) REALLY means. Are you saying that's not something important to talk about if you're dragging your car? Especially if you're concerned about how you're running, and making your car actually faster as opposed to hurting it?
I think it would be WORSE if someone DIDN'T mention what those boost numbers mean and their potential consequences!
Or you think people should "don't hate, if you have nothing positive to say then just sit back and stfu." instead of offering REAL ANALYSIS? "Nice runs dude!" = KABOOM!!! "you're running more boost than you think" = engine saved!
only an idiot would make a statement like that.
Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
the FACT is that he ran the times he did with 23.5psi of boost, no more. we are going to have to agree to disagree because I will not sit here and argue about samantics.
It's not samantics [sic], it's science! Whatever your boost is at 6000rpms is NOT PEAK BOOST even if it's the highest value you see on that run.
That's like seeing the last 5 cars of a 20 car train and saying the train only had 5 cars because that's all you saw! And everyone is saying "no, the train has 20 cars" and you say "no, it's a FACT that I only saw 5 cars, therefore..."
AiB, I truly feel empathy for your math teachers...
Last edited by SterlingEvo; Nov 14, 2006 at 07:07 PM. Reason: added analogy :)
Originally Posted by EVIL_EVO_VIII
Yes on the street if i left it that way, if i nailed it below 5k, it would spike 25-26 cause thats what happened when i went on the street after
Damn you guys had me confused LOL I see what you all are saying now
Took me a while til you broke it down for me, duh!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Damn you guys had me confused LOL I see what you all are saying now
Took me a while til you broke it down for me, duh!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Clearly the OP admitted he was running 26psi peak boost not 23.
He saw 23 at the begining of the gear as he shifted that tapered to 20-21@ redline, hence he claimed his run at 23psi.
It should've stated that the runs were achevied at 26psi not 23.
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Originally Posted by SterlingEvo
That's like seeing the last 5 cars of a 20 car train and saying the train only had 5 cars because that's all you saw! And everyone is saying "no, the train has 20 cars" and you say "no, it's a FACT that I only saw 5 cars, therefore..."
AiB, I truly feel empathy for your math teachers...
AiB, I truly feel empathy for your math teachers...
you can throw all the analogies you like out there but it still doesn't change the FACT that he only ran 23.5psi.
Don't you love it when everyone gets it but you?
This isn't about who ran what times at what PSI. The OP isn't saying "look what great times I ran at only 23psi"
Let me ask you this: Does anyone tune a car on a dyno or the street at 6000+ rpms? No? Does anyone tune your boost controller using values only over 5500rpms? No? Why not?
This isn't about who ran what times at what PSI. The OP isn't saying "look what great times I ran at only 23psi"
Let me ask you this: Does anyone tune a car on a dyno or the street at 6000+ rpms? No? Does anyone tune your boost controller using values only over 5500rpms? No? Why not?
Ok, from now on, I will claim that I run 19psi, since that's all I see on my gauge at the drag strip at this altitude. Yay, I run 12.30@109.5 at 19psi at 6000'!!!
Last edited by Warrtalon; Nov 14, 2006 at 07:29 PM.
no, it's worse.
But now that I know that he's an accountant, it makes sense. They are trained to look only at the number that's in front of their face. It's the CEO/COO/CFO's job to figure out what that number actually means, where it comes from, and what it's doing to the company. It's what separates the beancounters from the thinkers and decision makers.
But now that I know that he's an accountant, it makes sense. They are trained to look only at the number that's in front of their face. It's the CEO/COO/CFO's job to figure out what that number actually means, where it comes from, and what it's doing to the company. It's what separates the beancounters from the thinkers and decision makers.
yeah ok, thats real mature...
Let me try and describe what for me is a very simple concept to understand.
when I'm on the street, with the stock turbo, I spike to 24.5psi and settle down to around 21psi by 7k. If someone asked me how much boost I am running I tell them "24.5psi". I don't say 21psi because that would be false.
when I go to the track, if I don't touch the boost controller it will only spike to 20 psi and fall to around 19 psi by 7k. This is confirmed by a map sensor, not using the eyeball method. So if someone asked me at that time how much boost I was running I would tell them 20psi.
I want to run the same boost at the track that I do on the street because thats what I tune my car for. In order to do that I need to turn up the MBC to get that 24.5psi spike, like on the street, otherwise the boost will never be at 21psi by 7k, like it is on the street.
Let me try and describe what for me is a very simple concept to understand.
when I'm on the street, with the stock turbo, I spike to 24.5psi and settle down to around 21psi by 7k. If someone asked me how much boost I am running I tell them "24.5psi". I don't say 21psi because that would be false.
when I go to the track, if I don't touch the boost controller it will only spike to 20 psi and fall to around 19 psi by 7k. This is confirmed by a map sensor, not using the eyeball method. So if someone asked me at that time how much boost I was running I would tell them 20psi.
I want to run the same boost at the track that I do on the street because thats what I tune my car for. In order to do that I need to turn up the MBC to get that 24.5psi spike, like on the street, otherwise the boost will never be at 21psi by 7k, like it is on the street.
You are running the same boost on the street and at the track. You don't actually think your boost is lower at the track, do you? Come on now...
There IS NO SPIKE IN 4TH GEAR AT THE TRACK. How hard is that to understand? There is no spike whatsoever. YOu shift from 3rd at a high rpm (~7k), so that means in the next gear, you are well into the taper, which is why the boost appears to be lower. You are exaggerating with the 24->21 taper and only seeing 20psi on the track. That is not normal for anyone else and is not relevant to the conversation. We are talking about seeing a spike of 23.5 at 3800rpm (this is the only time you get a "spike" on the street, but then only seeing 21 or so after shifting to 4th at around 5600rpm. It's still the same boost level, but you are obviously not going to see that 23.5psi spike, because you're not at the right RPM!!
If you are raising your boost at the track, then it is no different than raising it on the street. It's the same exact thing. You spike to a certain point at 3800rpm, and then by 5500-6000rpm, it is much lower than that spike. If you want it to be the same psi at 5500rpm as you normally see at 3800rpm, then that is just foolish. You are not tuned for 24.5psi at 5600rpm, so there is no reason to try and mimic. Likewise for Miguel, he is not tuned for 23.5psi at 5600rpm and should not be turning his boost up to 25-26psi just to see that on his boost gauge...
There IS NO SPIKE IN 4TH GEAR AT THE TRACK. How hard is that to understand? There is no spike whatsoever. YOu shift from 3rd at a high rpm (~7k), so that means in the next gear, you are well into the taper, which is why the boost appears to be lower. You are exaggerating with the 24->21 taper and only seeing 20psi on the track. That is not normal for anyone else and is not relevant to the conversation. We are talking about seeing a spike of 23.5 at 3800rpm (this is the only time you get a "spike" on the street, but then only seeing 21 or so after shifting to 4th at around 5600rpm. It's still the same boost level, but you are obviously not going to see that 23.5psi spike, because you're not at the right RPM!!
If you are raising your boost at the track, then it is no different than raising it on the street. It's the same exact thing. You spike to a certain point at 3800rpm, and then by 5500-6000rpm, it is much lower than that spike. If you want it to be the same psi at 5500rpm as you normally see at 3800rpm, then that is just foolish. You are not tuned for 24.5psi at 5600rpm, so there is no reason to try and mimic. Likewise for Miguel, he is not tuned for 23.5psi at 5600rpm and should not be turning his boost up to 25-26psi just to see that on his boost gauge...
Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
yeah ok, thats real mature...
Let me try and describe what for me is a very simple concept to understand.
when I'm on the street, with the stock turbo, I spike to 24.5psi and settle down to around 21psi by 7k. If someone asked me how much boost I am running I tell them "24.5psi". I don't say 21psi because that would be false.
when I go to the track, if I don't touch the boost controller it will only spike to 20 psi and fall to around 19 psi by 7k. This is confirmed by a map sensor, not using the eyeball method. So if someone asked me at that time how much boost I was running I would tell them 20psi.
I want to run the same boost at the track that I do on the street because thats what I tune my car for. In order to do that I need to turn up the MBC to get that 24.5psi spike, like on the street, otherwise the boost will never be at 21psi by 7k, like it is on the street.
Let me try and describe what for me is a very simple concept to understand.
when I'm on the street, with the stock turbo, I spike to 24.5psi and settle down to around 21psi by 7k. If someone asked me how much boost I am running I tell them "24.5psi". I don't say 21psi because that would be false.
when I go to the track, if I don't touch the boost controller it will only spike to 20 psi and fall to around 19 psi by 7k. This is confirmed by a map sensor, not using the eyeball method. So if someone asked me at that time how much boost I was running I would tell them 20psi.
I want to run the same boost at the track that I do on the street because thats what I tune my car for. In order to do that I need to turn up the MBC to get that 24.5psi spike, like on the street, otherwise the boost will never be at 21psi by 7k, like it is on the street.
He was NOT running the same boost at the track as on the street, even though he saw as his 'peak' (not actually PEAK, as we've determined) at 23.5 in both situations. Please, for the love of god...
And my accountant analysis is spot on. You are looking at the small picture and numbers (which are the same, but in 2 different situations) while we're trying to explain the big one (why 23.5psi @ 3800 doesn't = 23.5psi @ 6000).
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God damn! Is this crap still going on... Warr if you dont have anything nice to say stay the hell of my threads, im sick and tired of yout crap already... For those of you.. I WAS NOT running 23.5 at 6k and i was around 21-20.5 at that rpm.... I understand that at the track i was seeing 23.5 but if i would have ran on the street below 5500 yes i would have seen 25-26 which is why when i left the track i turned it back down.. Damn it! How ****ing hard is it to understand that i was not running 25-26 at the track JESUS!!! Also, i really dont care what you ran Clay... You got all those free parts and all kinds of crap in your car with meth and you still CANT hit 11s! And i dont wana hear any elevation crap anymore...
I am tuned for 24 psi spike.. Do you have any of my logs and data or my tune? NO then STHU!! Your not a tuner and you didnt tune my car so dont even start there cause you dont have any indicative data to back up your statement about my tune....
For the record.. Yes i understand that at a lower rpm in 4th on the street the boost would have gone higher...
Exactamondo!!!!!!!!!!!!! When i first make my pass at the track WITHOUT touching the mbc, i end up seeing 18-19 psi by the end of 4th at 7k
I am tuned for 24 psi spike.. Do you have any of my logs and data or my tune? NO then STHU!! Your not a tuner and you didnt tune my car so dont even start there cause you dont have any indicative data to back up your statement about my tune....
For the record.. Yes i understand that at a lower rpm in 4th on the street the boost would have gone higher...
Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
yeah ok, thats real mature...
Let me try and describe what for me is a very simple concept to understand.
when I'm on the street, with the stock turbo, I spike to 24.5psi and settle down to around 21psi by 7k. If someone asked me how much boost I am running I tell them "24.5psi". I don't say 21psi because that would be false.
when I go to the track, if I don't touch the boost controller it will only spike to 20 psi and fall to around 19 psi by 7k. This is confirmed by a map sensor, not using the eyeball method. So if someone asked me at that time how much boost I was running I would tell them 20psi.
I want to run the same boost at the track that I do on the street because thats what I tune my car for. In order to do that I need to turn up the MBC to get that 24.5psi spike, like on the street, otherwise the boost will never be at 21psi by 7k, like it is on the street.
Let me try and describe what for me is a very simple concept to understand.
when I'm on the street, with the stock turbo, I spike to 24.5psi and settle down to around 21psi by 7k. If someone asked me how much boost I am running I tell them "24.5psi". I don't say 21psi because that would be false.
when I go to the track, if I don't touch the boost controller it will only spike to 20 psi and fall to around 19 psi by 7k. This is confirmed by a map sensor, not using the eyeball method. So if someone asked me at that time how much boost I was running I would tell them 20psi.
I want to run the same boost at the track that I do on the street because thats what I tune my car for. In order to do that I need to turn up the MBC to get that 24.5psi spike, like on the street, otherwise the boost will never be at 21psi by 7k, like it is on the street.
Last edited by EVIL_EVO_VIII; Nov 15, 2006 at 07:04 AM.
sigh... Next time don't ask "Tell me what you think guys..." If you put up numbers, and ask for opinions, someone is going to try to explain to you what they mean, and why that might be important. Sorry if you think it's "hating" or not important what your boost numbers mean...
and for the record, I was saying 6000rpms hypothetically, to mean that it was after peak boost rpm range... If you are tuned for a 24psi spike, that means you are tuned for that spike at the rpms at which that is normally expected - which is why people tune in certain gears and over certain rpm ranges. Never mind... you don't care.
and for the record, I was saying 6000rpms hypothetically, to mean that it was after peak boost rpm range... If you are tuned for a 24psi spike, that means you are tuned for that spike at the rpms at which that is normally expected - which is why people tune in certain gears and over certain rpm ranges. Never mind... you don't care.
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