shift to 5th
The argument of shifting to 5th isn't so much an issue of time to complete a shift, but ideal gear ratios for drag racing. The op's point of view is, you do not lose much time during shifting and using the shortest gearing possible to accelerate faster. This theory is correct to a point... The problem I have with this theory is, the extensively long 5th gear does not seem to be taken into account in the calculations at all. What doesn't make sense is, a strategy of using shorter gears only to force a shift into the longest gear possible on these cars, 5th. Even the EVO 9 5th gear is drastically longer then the EVO 8 4th gear. I'd be willing to bet, the average gearing in the 1/4 would be shorter with an EVO 8 4th gear then an EVO 9 4th gear and shifting to 5th. As I said, the theory is correct to a point, but unfortunately in the real world 1/4 mile, it just doesn't work out perfect as it does on paper like many other things that you would think should.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNmTp...layer_embedded
tires=26 stock 8 gearing (for chart below)
Last edited by 94AWDcoupe; Jan 20, 2012 at 06:48 AM.
Really? It's laughable your example that your trying to pass off to prove your point is an 8 second car. 
It's clear your only real intent is to try and prove yourself right, your logic is so unbelievably flawed, you don't even realize it yourself. Congrats on showing a car of extreme power that has enough umph to actually push through 5th gear and make it usable. That will definitely NOT be the case with a normal average guys setup in the 10's. I've gone out into the real world with multiple setups and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that shifting to 5th will NOT yield faster ET's in these cars as low as the low 10 second range from real world testing. You can argue till your blue in the face, but until you actually go out there in the real world and prove it instead of being a keyboard warrior that theorizes in his living room, you have zero credibility.
It's clear your only real intent is to try and prove yourself right, your logic is so unbelievably flawed, you don't even realize it yourself. Congrats on showing a car of extreme power that has enough umph to actually push through 5th gear and make it usable. That will definitely NOT be the case with a normal average guys setup in the 10's. I've gone out into the real world with multiple setups and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that shifting to 5th will NOT yield faster ET's in these cars as low as the low 10 second range from real world testing. You can argue till your blue in the face, but until you actually go out there in the real world and prove it instead of being a keyboard warrior that theorizes in his living room, you have zero credibility.
Last edited by RyuEvoIX; Jan 20, 2012 at 06:59 AM.
the quick math I did.
car is trapping 173mph.
we dont know his tire size on car.
we do know he is trapping ~8000rpm in 5th.
I conclude he is not using 4.11 rear. he not using stock 4.54 either. he must be using the rally 4.85 rear AND the tires are smaller than 26.
Talk about some incredibly strong evidence to prove what I preach here. Shep goes 177ish on four gears. This guy here could have set the car up with four gears. It is my belief he does the same math that rolls around in my head. Shorter gears are better for acceration so long as traction and shift speed supports it.
Its known fact dropping a 4.85 in a bone stock car will drop E.T.
so I guess every car in between a stock car and an 8 second car will get slower?
car is trapping 173mph.
we dont know his tire size on car.
we do know he is trapping ~8000rpm in 5th.
I conclude he is not using 4.11 rear. he not using stock 4.54 either. he must be using the rally 4.85 rear AND the tires are smaller than 26.
Talk about some incredibly strong evidence to prove what I preach here. Shep goes 177ish on four gears. This guy here could have set the car up with four gears. It is my belief he does the same math that rolls around in my head. Shorter gears are better for acceration so long as traction and shift speed supports it.
Its known fact dropping a 4.85 in a bone stock car will drop E.T.
so I guess every car in between a stock car and an 8 second car will get slower?
Last edited by 94AWDcoupe; Jan 20, 2012 at 07:05 AM.
I notice you didn't acknowledge any of the numerous valid points I made in my previous post just as you constantly have done on other forums. 
Just as I said, you have no interest in really validating your point, only believing you are right at all costs. If your only Evo example is an 8 second car that traps over 170mph, you don't have a realistic leg to stand on...
By the way, fun fact. The quickest Evo in the world currently is running 4 gears if you have to resort to only talking about 7 and 8 second cars in a desperate attempt to try and prove yourself right on this theory.
Just as I said, you have no interest in really validating your point, only believing you are right at all costs. If your only Evo example is an 8 second car that traps over 170mph, you don't have a realistic leg to stand on...By the way, fun fact. The quickest Evo in the world currently is running 4 gears if you have to resort to only talking about 7 and 8 second cars in a desperate attempt to try and prove yourself right on this theory.
When you have to shift, to are not accelerating. The .5 seconds you are not on the gas you are coasting/losing speed. The car must then rebuild power, the turbo/car will not instantaneously be right back at full boost/load making full power.
This all adds up. Especially when you are talking about tenths of a second deciding races.
I would rather stay in my powerband or be at the trailing edge, even beginning to fall off it. Instead of taking the time to shift and have to rebuild again. Although it only takes a second, that second the other guy was still in it driving forward.
This all adds up. Especially when you are talking about tenths of a second deciding races.
I would rather stay in my powerband or be at the trailing edge, even beginning to fall off it. Instead of taking the time to shift and have to rebuild again. Although it only takes a second, that second the other guy was still in it driving forward.
Let's revisit your 8 second example since your stuck on that. Your above example is 8.8@173mph using 5th gear. My comparable example is ams 8.42@168mph. Two comparable setups, yet ams stays in 4th and with 5mph less us nearly half a second quicker. Ofcourse there are other variables but we arent talking even a close race in et as ams clearly has your example beat by a large margin.
Everyone wants to feel special Jerry. As if they have discovered an amazing secret shortcut to better results then the masses. I assure you though, this is not the case. The quickest evos for their setups stick to running out 4th because its proven and works. If your out of rpm, shift to 5th, but if your not, stay in the lead with 4th.
Let's revisit your 8 second example since your stuck on that. Your above example is 8.8@173mph using 5th gear. My comparable example is ams 8.42@168mph. Two comparable setups, yet ams stays in 4th and with 5mph less us nearly half a second quicker. Of course there are other variables but we arent talking even a close race in et as ams clearly has your example beat by a large margin.
My questions here would be.
Which track was prepped better?
What tires were used on each cars?
What were tire diameters and actual gear ratios?
What were track conditions? humidity. temp, WIND?
I could go on but its pointless to even attempt a conversation with you. You bring only insults and colorful personality to the table. No valid arguments worth discussing.
Real world results time and time again trump your theoretical paper bench racing you so proudly do in your living room Jerry. You consistently fail at comprehending reality and stick to your theoretical numbers that don't ever seem to be proven fact in the real world. I suppose I really shouldn't expect much more in terms of realistical comprehension from a guy who posts a thread that he saw aliens in the sky on a local car forum.
Final point, if you want a slower et then shift to the longest and slowest accelerating gear possible, 5th.
Final point, if you want a slower et then shift to the longest and slowest accelerating gear possible, 5th.
its funny that my comment to that guy with the black about shifting to 5th caused you guys to bring this back up i only said that because he, just like so many, myself included. build their cars before changing gears so if you want to race before then, your faced with having to shift to 5th, da...... atleast i had to.this was my results. two years ago i went 10.97@126 on the red on 100oct. shifting to 5th, last year i went 11.3@126 on 93oct. staying in 4th banging the rev limiter. there is no ****ter feeling than the power swing when that 5th gear shift is completed!
i only said that because he, just like so many, myself included. build their cars before changing gears so if you want to race before then, your faced with having to shift to 5th, da...... atleast i had to.this was my results. two years ago i went 10.97@126 on the red on 100oct. shifting to 5th, last year i went 11.3@126 on 93oct. staying in 4th banging the rev limiter. there is no ****ter feeling than the power swing when that 5th gear shift is completed!
its funny that my comment to that guy with the black about shifting to 5th caused you guys to bring this back up i only said that because he, just like so many, myself included. build their cars before changing gears so if you want to race before then, your faced with having to shift to 5th, da...... atleast i had to.this was my results. two years ago i went 10.97@126 on the red on 100oct. shifting to 5th, last year i went 11.3@126 on 93oct. staying in 4th banging the rev limiter. there is no ****ter feeling than the power swing when that 5th gear shift is completed!
i only said that because he, just like so many, myself included. build their cars before changing gears so if you want to race before then, your faced with having to shift to 5th, da...... atleast i had to.this was my results. two years ago i went 10.97@126 on the red on 100oct. shifting to 5th, last year i went 11.3@126 on 93oct. staying in 4th banging the rev limiter. there is no ****ter feeling than the power swing when that 5th gear shift is completed!
Real world results time and time again trump your theoretical paper bench racing you so proudly do in your living room Jerry. You consistently fail at comprehending reality and stick to your theoretical numbers that don't ever seem to be proven fact in the real world. I suppose I really shouldn't expect much more in terms of realistical comprehension from a guy who posts a thread that he saw aliens in the sky on a local car forum.
Final point, if you want a slower et then shift to the longest and slowest accelerating gear possible, 5th.
Final point, if you want a slower et then shift to the longest and slowest accelerating gear possible, 5th.
There're like 15 clear examples in this thread why a lower final drive can be advantageous, and it's just not getting through
Last edited by Carloverx; Jan 23, 2012 at 07:38 PM.
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Well I pick up my new trans with the 4.11 final drive. Ill let you guys know what happens. In my opinion. When I launched at the track. 1st gear was USELESS!!! More so on the streets! With a longer final drive; Maybe my 60 fts will be even better with a new tire combo as well! Im not saying anyone on here is wrong. But ill letcha guys know! =)
Well I pick up my new trans with the 4.11 final drive. Ill let you guys know what happens. In my opinion. When I launched at the track. 1st gear was USELESS!!! More so on the streets! With a longer final drive; Maybe my 60 fts will be even better with a new tire combo as well! Im not saying anyone on here is wrong. But ill letcha guys know! =)
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How much power were you putting down, And how much boost did you run off the line? What kind of tires?