Full weight IX, EvoGreen, Pump/meth, Street tune...
9sec9 are you guys running at noble? if you are then I will tell you this I saw your son run in the 11's his first time and I really want that evo green now. Just a lil info, I ran a horrible 13.1 at noble all wheels spinning and 2 weeks later at the test and tune in tulsa at night (was cooler) I ran a 12.7. you should bring both your cars to tulsa sometimes and I bet he will be 11 flat if not in the 10's. No offense, but he will get more traction in tulsa than noble. just a thought...
Last edited by SilentEvo8; May 20, 2007 at 11:56 AM.
Thanks for that info. I always felt that we were probably getting better traction than most of the other guys, but I think it caught up with us this weekend. We 'overpowered' the track for the first few passes, then got 'removed'. I like tulsa and we almost went there, but changed at the last minute. Thanks again for the info.
Just some comparisons and observations on time vs speed. After reviewing as many of the whp/wtq's posted and then comparing those to their times/speed, here's what appears to be a pattern: MOST of the cars with low mph vs their et's have higher torque numbers (some greatly) than whp. In those higher wtq vs whp cars, their times are noticeably better than similar cars who have higher speeds. Here's a list of cars and their times for you to compare:
???(forgot sig) 10.869 123.87 (2.8mph faster than OKIX 11.31/121.03)
dragnracing 11.147 @ 123.97 (2.9 mph faster, only .17 time diff)
topspeed 11.1?? @123 (2 mph faster, .1??-.2 time diff)
Ihuntv8 11.2?? @ 122 (.1 time diff, +1mph)
madmat 11.3 @121 (same exactly)
fimotorsports 11.4 @119 (-.1, -2mph)
The thing about ALL of these cars, is they have better times, than anyone around them that have higher mph. They also appear to have higher wtq than whp. Many are IX's. These cars are on the fastest 11 list for a reason and comparing or looking for mph doesn't tell the story. They obviously know how to drive their cars, My point is that two tuning philosophies exist. Higher number whp, higher mph's doesn't always equal lower et's. Remember this IS the drag racing forum. Higher WTQ, at the expense of some whp yields lower mph, but in these cases, lower et's too. Look at the list and compare by mph, you'll see it too. It also appears that this pattern holds true for some of the tuners and their results. This is not a bash of anyone or anything, only an observation of wtq/whp and results. These cars listed are proving that high mph isn't needed to get the low et.
???(forgot sig) 10.869 123.87 (2.8mph faster than OKIX 11.31/121.03)
dragnracing 11.147 @ 123.97 (2.9 mph faster, only .17 time diff)
topspeed 11.1?? @123 (2 mph faster, .1??-.2 time diff)
Ihuntv8 11.2?? @ 122 (.1 time diff, +1mph)
madmat 11.3 @121 (same exactly)
fimotorsports 11.4 @119 (-.1, -2mph)
The thing about ALL of these cars, is they have better times, than anyone around them that have higher mph. They also appear to have higher wtq than whp. Many are IX's. These cars are on the fastest 11 list for a reason and comparing or looking for mph doesn't tell the story. They obviously know how to drive their cars, My point is that two tuning philosophies exist. Higher number whp, higher mph's doesn't always equal lower et's. Remember this IS the drag racing forum. Higher WTQ, at the expense of some whp yields lower mph, but in these cases, lower et's too. Look at the list and compare by mph, you'll see it too. It also appears that this pattern holds true for some of the tuners and their results. This is not a bash of anyone or anything, only an observation of wtq/whp and results. These cars listed are proving that high mph isn't needed to get the low et.
This is exactly why 20g outperforms 50trim at track.
Just some comparisons and observations on time vs speed. After reviewing as many of the whp/wtq's posted and then comparing those to their times/speed, here's what appears to be a pattern: MOST of the cars with low mph vs their et's have higher torque numbers (some greatly) than whp. In those higher wtq vs whp cars, their times are noticeably better than similar cars who have higher speeds. Here's a list of cars and their times for you to compare:
???(forgot sig) 10.869 123.87 (2.8mph faster than OKIX 11.31/121.03)
dragnracing 11.147 @ 123.97 (2.9 mph faster, only .17 time diff)
topspeed 11.1?? @123 (2 mph faster, .1??-.2 time diff)
Ihuntv8 11.2?? @ 122 (.1 time diff, +1mph)
madmat 11.3 @121 (same exactly)
fimotorsports 11.4 @119 (-.1, -2mph)
The thing about ALL of these cars, is they have better times, than anyone around them that have higher mph. They also appear to have higher wtq than whp. Many are IX's. These cars are on the fastest 11 list for a reason and comparing or looking for mph doesn't tell the story. They obviously know how to drive their cars, My point is that two tuning philosophies exist. Higher number whp, higher mph's doesn't always equal lower et's. Remember this IS the drag racing forum. Higher WTQ, at the expense of some whp yields lower mph, but in these cases, lower et's too. Look at the list and compare by mph, you'll see it too. It also appears that this pattern holds true for some of the tuners and their results. This is not a bash of anyone or anything, only an observation of wtq/whp and results. These cars listed are proving that high mph isn't needed to get the low et.
???(forgot sig) 10.869 123.87 (2.8mph faster than OKIX 11.31/121.03)
dragnracing 11.147 @ 123.97 (2.9 mph faster, only .17 time diff)
topspeed 11.1?? @123 (2 mph faster, .1??-.2 time diff)
Ihuntv8 11.2?? @ 122 (.1 time diff, +1mph)
madmat 11.3 @121 (same exactly)
fimotorsports 11.4 @119 (-.1, -2mph)
The thing about ALL of these cars, is they have better times, than anyone around them that have higher mph. They also appear to have higher wtq than whp. Many are IX's. These cars are on the fastest 11 list for a reason and comparing or looking for mph doesn't tell the story. They obviously know how to drive their cars, My point is that two tuning philosophies exist. Higher number whp, higher mph's doesn't always equal lower et's. Remember this IS the drag racing forum. Higher WTQ, at the expense of some whp yields lower mph, but in these cases, lower et's too. Look at the list and compare by mph, you'll see it too. It also appears that this pattern holds true for some of the tuners and their results. This is not a bash of anyone or anything, only an observation of wtq/whp and results. These cars listed are proving that high mph isn't needed to get the low et.
From the drag racing world it seems like all these cars are getting ever bit of HP to the ground and some they don't have
!Do you know what the 1/8 mile times and MPH are on most of these cars?
Also are all these cars running a stock turbo or 20g style? Maybe they are just running out of steam in the High RPMs and are basically costing through the traps?
Last edited by Freddy302; May 20, 2007 at 05:06 PM.
Interesting facts about new tune with higher wtq/whp shows traction problems but still, better results on average. Last week, the 11.31 @121.03 was best run to date. This past weekend, we felt traction was main issue hurting times. Heres the comparisons of critical times and respective mph.
Distance Last week This weekend
60' 1.71767 1.81
1/8et 7.581 7.481
1/8mph 90.908 94.535
1/4et 11.7408 11.5935
1/4mph 118.408 120.275
Even though traction was a big issue, engine performance still showed improvements. These were the averages of each night. Also, every run this past weekend showed improvements in both et and mph at every measuring point: 60,1/8th and 1/4. Just as we were getting a grip on it, it was over. Next time, always next time.
Distance Last week This weekend
60' 1.71767 1.81
1/8et 7.581 7.481
1/8mph 90.908 94.535
1/4et 11.7408 11.5935
1/4mph 118.408 120.275
Even though traction was a big issue, engine performance still showed improvements. These were the averages of each night. Also, every run this past weekend showed improvements in both et and mph at every measuring point: 60,1/8th and 1/4. Just as we were getting a grip on it, it was over. Next time, always next time.
I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if you ever did or not, but you should upgrade the stock DV. Is it at least crushed? I had taper with my boost and just figured it was naturally running out of breath up top. Switched DV's out and boost is rock solid. The taper before was spiking 23 going to 17-18. Now I'm hitting 21 HARD(had to back it down because I was hitting fuel cut with it holding boost-untuned) and by redline I MAYBE taper to 20 IF that. It stays pretty much rock solid. Maybe I just had a faulty stock DV but I simply don't see how people say the MR and IX valves will hold 26psi and whatnot without leaking.
Nope, Still no cage and working on OKIX's car to help him. I only have so much time and spending time with my son is very important to me right now. I've decided to sell mine since I'm not going to be able to race it. 700 miles, never raced. Oh well.
Update to car. Car ran 11.02 and a mph of 123.23 in the only 3 passes made yesterday. He also had 1.59, 1.53 and 1.57 60's. This EvoGreen/20G-LT is an incredible turbo. These times are absolutely on race gas and meth/water injection. NOTHING ELSE. No Nitrous, no Nitromethane.
We lowered his rpm through the traps by using 26.7" tires. Before his traps were 7960, now his traps show 7687 on the log. Taller tires even got better 60's and lowered the traps.
