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Old Nov 16, 2007 | 08:27 AM
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Locking all 4 brakes to launch??

Paul (Ifarted) with the 1000 WHP beast said the following in a post today and I am trying to understand this.
One thing i wish i would have done was put a hand brake in that locks all 4 brakes up off the line but didn't do cause of our crazy race schedule. After talking to Shep at SEMA its a must if im going to get a good 60ft
Anyone understand this?
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Old Nov 17, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoTech
Paul (Ifarted) with the 1000 WHP beast said the following in a post today and I am trying to understand this.

Anyone understand this?
i was thinking about this also and i think dan bajalis has the setup. check out the pics in this post of his interior. i have no idea how it works and i'm curious.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ht=dan+bajalis
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Old Nov 17, 2007 | 11:49 PM
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yes I have this currently installed on my car. The last event I had a hard time staging the car since I don't have an e-brake anymore. So this allows you to roll up to the line, pre-load the clutch, and release the lever off the launch... should work out nice, can't wait to try it out
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 08:34 AM
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yes for us street cars hold that e brake it works a bit
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 02:31 PM
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yes I have this currently installed on my car. The last event I had a hard time staging the car since I don't have an e-brake anymore. So this allows you to roll up to the line, pre-load the clutch, and release the lever off the launch... should work out nice, can't wait to try it out
How do the brakes hold the car in gear while putting the car into RPM's on a 2 step? I still don't get it. Kinda like a trans brake but for the brakes??
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 02:42 PM
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By pulling up on the e brake or using line locks allows you to pre- load the drive train, take the slack out of it, and load the rear suspension. Which leads to quicker launches and less broken parts.
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Old Nov 18, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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How do the brakes hold the car in gear while putting the car into RPM's on a 2 step? I still don't get it. Kinda like a trans brake but for the brakes??
you can do it several different ways, mechanically have a lever attached to your existing brake pedal, or hydraulic, T into your brake line and use the lever to activate/de-activate the brakes (front, rear, or both)
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 05:53 AM
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Lets say that it is set up like a line lock and you pump the pressure up and lock all 4 brakes. Is that enough to really hold the car back from say 25 psi of boost and 7,000 rpm? If this is the way you are doing it and it works I am sold. It must be much easier on the driveline when you leave. So you simply release the button to launch?
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 08:38 AM
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Lets say that it is set up like a line lock and you pump the pressure up and lock all 4 brakes. Is that enough to really hold the car back from say 25 psi of boost and 7,000 rpm? If this is the way you are doing it and it works I am sold. It must be much easier on the driveline when you leave. So you simply release the button to launch?
well Line lock is more like a solenoid and you use a button to release the brakes. The one I'm using is a hydraulic lever, and its not like an on off switch this meathod will be a lot smoother and easier to stage with in my opinion. I personally would not launch at 25psi at 7k, that's just asking for trouble, I launch with about 5-10lbs of boost and have a smooth launch.
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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fimotorsports
well Line lock is more like a solenoid and you use a button to release the brakes. The one I'm using is a hydraulic lever, and its not like an on off switch this meathod will be a lot smoother and easier to stage with in my opinion. I personally would not launch at 25psi at 7k, that's just asking for trouble, I launch with about 5-10lbs of boost and have a smooth launch.
Thanks for all the info thus far. This is all new to me, but I really like the idea. IT must be much easier on the drivetrain, but I suspect you would need a pretty beffy clutch to hold all that torque back. So the car is fully in gear while staged with the clutch out. Are you using a 2 step or anti-lag? I assume not if you are only leaving with 5-10 lbs of boost. Is this a custom setup or if there someone who makes that parts for this? Any chance of a few pics. Thanks again for all the help. I plan on pursuing this further.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:20 AM
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Bump for more info and pic. I wonder if AMS is using this. There launches look so smooth. Like they just roll off the line.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 11:38 AM
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it sounds like you don't let the clutch out with the brakes locked then the brakes... you kind of release both at the same time
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fimotorsports
well Line lock is more like a solenoid and you use a button to release the brakes. The one I'm using is a hydraulic lever, and its not like an on off switch this meathod will be a lot smoother and easier to stage with in my opinion. I personally would not launch at 25psi at 7k, that's just asking for trouble, I launch with about 5-10lbs of boost and have a smooth launch.
Whats the avg 60ft. you were seeing with that setup?? im trying to figure out if its worthwhile..
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 05:16 PM
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You find the spot in the clutch disengagement where the clutch is starting to engage, -- it's not "full out" but it's loading the drivetrain, taking up the slack. The brakes hold the car back against some of the clutch engagement. You then release the brakes while going to full engagement on the clutch. You can also build some additional boost because of the loading of the engine.
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Old Nov 21, 2007 | 06:25 PM
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Whats the avg 60ft. you were seeing with that setup?? im trying to figure out if its worthwhile..
There is no need for you to go faster
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