Then, powerslide must be done on a RWD?

 

Either RWD or AWD I think. It would be easiest on a RWD but also achievable on an AWD, especially a powerfull one and/or one with a rear biased AWD system.

I think a standard Lancer Evolution could powerslide, it might require a bit of a flick or maybe handbrake or left foot braking to get it started but then get back on the power hard and sharply and it should be able to hold the slide for a little bit by using the power to exceed the traction of the rear wheels. Eventually the AWD should bring it back into line though. I have accidentally powerslid (?) an Evolution VI GSR on a racetrack while exiting a fast uphill sweeping corner just by accelerating out of it under full power. It wasn't big but the back was definately sliding.

It is possible to get a FWD car sideways while still on the power and maybe some people would consider it a powerslide but I don't think that is entirely accurate because it has nothing to do with the power causing the slide. I suppose it could cause the front to slide (understeer) so maybe that is a FWD powerslide, not a very usefull thing though and doesn't look or feel as good as oversteer.

Aston

 

powerslide or aka power over in drift terms....

 

with cheap tires, this is very simple to do with an evo

 

powerslide is simply oversteer induced by applying gas while turning.

 

Great thanks, everybody!

Suggest that admin put this thread into a 'Driving Tips' bible or something like that if there's one here in this forum.

 

Powersliding is done on one corner, where you are trying to counter and straighten the car out at the end of the corner. Drifting is done with multiple corners where instead of straightening the car out at the end of corner #1, you actually over-counter and use the inertia of the first drift to set you up for the second corner's drift.

 

I have to disagree. Drifting can be done through 1 corner only, or through multiple corners but keeping each one seperate (slide, straighten out,go straight, slide straighten out, go straight, etc.). The only thing I can think of to back this up is The Drift Bible video where the presenter (One of Japans best drifters or something?) is showing diferent drifting techniques he uses, he uses just one corner to demonstrate these. Also later on when he is drifting around a track there are times when he does what you descibe and times when he just slides the car through and then straightens it up. Both of these are still drifting.

It is possible to powerslide a car through multiple corners without straightening it out in between. As long as you stay on the power the majority of the time and it is mostly the power that is causing the slide then it is still a powerslide. Tiff Needel is very good at this.

I think what you are describing as drifting is either what I said above about powersliding or it is a combination of a powerslide followed by an inertia drift depending on the specific situation.

Like I said before powersliding is just one drifiting technique and it can be used together with other techniques or by itself, must like the rest of the techniques. It all depends on the road you are drifting on, sometimes there will be a series of corners togethere and sometimes they will be spaced out and it just won't be possible to drift them by flicking the car back and forth.

Aston

 

Ah, see, I haven't watched any movies about the subject. I only know from personal experience. Now, If you are powersliding through more than one corner at a time, then you are sliding in the same direction the whole time. That's one big powerslide. If you switch directions in the corners, then you do straighten the car up, even if for just a fraction of a second, and then you pitch it in the other direction. An inertial drift is nothing more than a powerslide/feint/powerslide (with associated footwork/gearwork) all in one smooth motion that spans over 2 corners.

 

But using inertia you have to straighten the car up for a fraction of a second too? I mean when you go from sliding one direction to the other direction you pass through the straight ahead point for an instant as it flicks back the other way. That is the same that happens with what I was saying.

I just realised where I think I am getting confused, what I described does use inertia to get the car back the other way, so you power out of a corner causing the wheels to spin and you have a powerlside, then you put on oposite lock to control it while staying on the power to keep the wheels spinning, as you aproach the next corner you overcorrect (and maybe come off the power just a little bit, but still with the wheels spining) and the car flicks back the other way (no pause in the middle just a flick), you stay on the power and correct in the opposite direction and slide through that corner as well. Now that does use inertia in the very middle part when the car changes direction but it is also helped by the spinning rear wheels (from the powerslide) that keeps the back of the car tractionless and free to slide around. So that is probably a bit of both.

Aston

 

Yes, but it is very difficult to get an AWD to drift around multiple corners (ones that oppose each other rather than all turning in the same direction). The reason is because with a drift you can at least use the front wheels to control the car's relative direction, but in an AWD, the front is losing traction along with the rear. The steering angle is the only thing that is keeping the car going somewhat close to the direction you want it to go. That is why a single corner powerslide is so much more popular to do with an AWD. I know I haven't been able to keep all 4 tires smoking through multiple corners. I haven't been crazy enough to do it, though. You need to have some massive cornering speed to be able to pull it off, and well....I'm just not going to try it at my level of experience yet.

 

try this, whilst about to enter a hard turn, oversteer a bit, and throw in a nice hard downshift with a agressive clutch-kick and experience the "power slide"

(i do not suggest attempting this due to you possible losing control of the car and going into a spin unless you are on a closed off parking lot or course.)

 

Ok, I was only talking about RWD when I wrote that. AWD would definately be different. It is possibly to do that with an AWD on the dirt though . I did it once at dirt circuit racing in an Evolution VI but more by accident then intention. I came out of one corner more sideways then I expected, and then I had to go into a corner going the other way so I tapped the brake pedal hard with still a bit of power on (not really knowing exactly how it would react) and it flicked back the other way, luckily, and it slid through that corner too . But that was probably more inertia than powerslide, like you said. Powersliding is definately harder in an AWD because getting on the power tends to pull them straight instead of making them go more sideways like a RWD. You'd need a bit of power in an AWD to get all 4 tyres spinning constantly through a series of bends.

If there is one thing you have to do with a Lancer Evolution it is drive it quickly on the dirt, soo much fun. You can get into long slides so easily while still being on the power and accelerating, it's a different feeling. Probably more of a four wheel drift than the usual RWD oversteer type slide.

Aston

 

Is there any difference between MR and FR when powersliding?

 

A MR car usually has more weight at the back (because the engine is back there) so that means it usually has more traction, which means more power to get it to slide or you have to be more comitted to the slide (probably use inertia to get it started). Also because there is more weight at the back it will have more inertia so probably be more willing to keep sliding. This means it might be a little bit harder to catch and you might have to start correcting sooner or faster.

An extreme example would be to go to a RR car like a Porsche 911, with all the weight of the engine right at the back the early ones were known to be a bit tail happy and slightly dangerous in the wet.

Aston