hi,

i know heel and toe is used by racers to gain fast acceleration while slowing down on turns; nevertheless, does it have a practical use on the street (public)?

i have read one article in edmonds.com that it is a safer way of driving even on regular streets.

the question lurking right now is, regular streets = low rpms (not reaching 3k+). how do you do it? engine will definitely shut off on hard breaking at low rpms. next is, are factory stock components capable of heel and toe (given a skilled driver).?

thanks

 

i heel toe and rev match every gear every time. i dont even think about it when i do it anymore. even in other peoples cars i do it just from habit.

 

the engine will not shut off on hard braking if you engage the clutch. brake as you step on the clutch all the way, then downshift, then rev the rpm with your heel to match the rpm of the lower gear, then disengage the clutch.

you'll be at a low rpm entering a corner, say 3000rpm in 3rd gear. let's say you want to exit the corner in 2nd gear at around 4000rpm, then you heel-toe to get there.

the factory components are all perfectly capable of handling heel-toe actions. you can do it on any car with 3 pedals. it's the same thing as downshift rev-matching except you add in the addition of braking. it is better on your clutch to rev-match. the only negative thing you're really doing with rev-matching and heel-toe is eating up a bit more gas than usual.

 

i don't know if i am just stupid or whatever, anyway here is my driving style.

let's deal with things from stop.
- rev a bit, disengage clutch, first gear, release clutch, go
- between 2k to 3k, shift to 2nd gear ( i always shift between 2k to 3k)

downshifts are done this way (that is w/o h&t):
- slightly brake until the desired speed is reached, then downshift

i usually end up at around 1.5k when downshifting prior to engaging the next lower gear.

is there a minimum required rpm before h&t can be performed?

 

I do it everyday all day. it prevents me from dragging the clutch into lower gears. and you wont stall the car, unless you already have problems with idle control. DO IT, it makes driving with passengers so much smoother.

 

Do you guys need some aftermarket pedals because I feel that the brake pedal and the gas pedal are too far from each other and the gas pedal is close to the plastic thing. It's an 08 lancer by the way

 

ok, here's what happens. i brake (the first step for h&t). whenever i do that, i find myself moving forward towards the steering wheel. am i pressing the brake too hard? or this is a normal phenomenon for h&t?

 

its simple, there is no limit to the rpm you can do it at. when you have the clutch pressed in if you give it gas you are accelerating the flywheel, the clutch stays spinning with the wheels. to revmatch correctly you would want to spin the flywheel at the right speed to match up with the clutch (the wheels speed) to engage the gear without lurching. but i dont down shift much at all i just hold the clutch in or go to neutral till i stop... that depends

 

True. I always rev match and heel-toe. Even when im in stock non preformance cars.

 

As do I. It's a habit. If I'm in a car with someboyd who drags the clutch and doesn't rev match, it makes me want to barf. Heel/toe can be performed at any speed. I use it 100% of the time, whether I'm in my Evo, or anything else. And I mean ANYthing else

 

Neat.

You don't HAVE to rev match in a street car, so you don't have to heal/toe. I do it simply for practice for someplace I do need it. That's it. I'm pretty sure that the clutch wear at low rpms from slipping it gear to gear is negligible.