Faster around turn - drift or normal? Caould you use it for autocross?
From what i understand, there's only one situiation that drift drive is faster then grip drive.
with narrow road + sharp turns, drift can make the car facing the exit of turn quicker then grip.
FTW
with narrow road + sharp turns, drift can make the car facing the exit of turn quicker then grip.
FTW
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idk if this is off topic...but when i go autocrossing with my friend who has an m3 he consistently (on tight turn courses) runs better drifting than he ever could in a straight line and not hanging the rear end out there. He was told not to drift because they dont want the events to be about drifting so he is only allowed to drift on "fun runs" but every time he does best on those. Just my .02
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i thought drifting was illegal in scca. at most you can only have tire slip.
unless im at scca, i only drift to rotate the car and only on small tight corners. techniques i use are mostly feint and braking drifts with this car though. i hate reaching for the e-brake (even though from experience its the least scary and easiest way to start a drift). if you do drift though, just dont countersteer to much. in an awd car you dont just spin out if you try to power out of the turn with your wheels countersteering, you fishtail hard.
unless im at scca, i only drift to rotate the car and only on small tight corners. techniques i use are mostly feint and braking drifts with this car though. i hate reaching for the e-brake (even though from experience its the least scary and easiest way to start a drift). if you do drift though, just dont countersteer to much. in an awd car you dont just spin out if you try to power out of the turn with your wheels countersteering, you fishtail hard.
Last edited by ekoe; Feb 15, 2009 at 07:58 AM.
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the only time sliding the car would be faster than gripping would be if there was a really tight hairpin that the car just couldn't make fast normally. the EVO's turning radius is garbage, so in those cases, it may be faster to slide the rear end around
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I like how EvoM comes up as the 5th search result for "drifting vs the line"
EvoM either has really good seo or it's one of the first places you should go on the internet to learn how to drive. I guess it's both. Nice job.
EvoM either has really good seo or it's one of the first places you should go on the internet to learn how to drive. I guess it's both. Nice job.
For rally drivers, the big slip angles also let them line up better for the next straight and give them a better preview of a blind corner...giving them options to modify their line as they are part way thru the corner.
Think of it like this: If you take the grip racing line and get 1/2 way thru the corner and there's something in your way (rock, crashed car, goat, etc.), you're not left with many options, either hit the obstacle or run wide off the road. In stage rally, running wide off the road often means you hit a tree or fence or go over a cliff.
Dave
Think of it like this: If you take the grip racing line and get 1/2 way thru the corner and there's something in your way (rock, crashed car, goat, etc.), you're not left with many options, either hit the obstacle or run wide off the road. In stage rally, running wide off the road often means you hit a tree or fence or go over a cliff.
Dave
plus we do not have to worry about turbo lag
i am with a mild ALS set up making around 14 psi at idle in autoX or circuit track racing where you have a same corners and same environment and surface over and over again, the best bet is a good race line without slipping any wheel.
Rob
here is an evo test day where you can see where he using the e-brake where he just goes with a "racing "line.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZ8pdZ8NlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twZ8pdZ8NlE
