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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 10:21 AM
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Up on three wheels?

I am a novice when doing track and autox to say the least LOL. but i have been to a couple events and i always notice that some of the EVOs when taking turns sharp instead of spinning out it looks like its ready to tip over. I was at a an autox event and the dude took a corner and it was up on three wheels. My question is would coilovers prevent this or would springs be sufficient enough. I know its a dumb question. I am coming from just dragging my eclipse. So the whole track and autox scene is new to me.
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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 11:02 AM
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i did a search. Found the answer to my question. LOL PLEASE DELETE THIS POST LOL
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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 11:19 AM
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Well, don't leave us hangin' and make us search for ourSELVES...
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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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Well where did you find that information? I didn't see it, so feel free to post it (or links to it) here. But yeah, just the act of lowering your car will reduce the likely hood of going on 3 wheels. A stiffer suspension will help even more and a strong set of sway bars will do even more than that!

Here's a pic of my Lancer before getting coilovers. I can't get all 3 wheels off the ground anymore (except when going into driveways )
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Old Mar 9, 2004 | 05:30 PM
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The post was tracking your evo on a road course. This response helped me out.

Hey,

Depending on your level of skill, I would suggest the following.

Beginner:

Leave the car alone, the understeer will be predictable, and good for you to learn with.

Intermediate:

Chassis bracing, and strut tower brace in the back. Maybe an adjustable sway bar in the back. You will begin to feel oversteer now, with the updated rear configuration, be ready for an 'agricultural adventure' if you get over your head.

Advanced:

Definitely swaybars, front and rear, updated and adjustable strut tower braces, and coil-overs. Also, if you are truly advanced, you may want to look into venting the front brakes.

Go to some sites like VividRacing, they have some good information on suspension 'stuff'.

IMHO, I would leave it alone, at least for the first season. You will have a warranty, and on track day, that is just like a sponsor. I have met very few, myself included, who can drain the car 100% in the stock configuration, on track days. Enjoy it, keep it stock, again, the understeer is not too bad, and it will save you if you get in too far of your head.

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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:49 PM
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Not bad, the better the suspension the harder it is to get on 3 wheels. See Troie's example here on the crappy stock Lancer suspension.
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Old Apr 9, 2004 | 10:58 PM
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You can get it on 3 wheels going sideways too

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Old May 22, 2004 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
Not bad, the better the suspension the harder it is to get on 3 wheels. See Troie's example here on the crappy stock Lancer suspension.
Looks more like 2.5 wheels! The picture of your car looks like 2!
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Old May 22, 2004 | 10:30 AM
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I've actually seen stock Ford Contours on 2 wheels (the other two at LEAST 6" off the ground) all the way around a corner. Don't think I've ever seen a Lancer with that much body roll, we're doing something right. Here's a pic from last weekend, pretty sure that rear tire is off the ground. Even lowered M3s were getting a front tire off the ground around that corner!

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Old Jul 24, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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Here's a pix of my friend's civic over a bus stop corner, known to induce 3 wheel turns. The car is equipped with tein coil overs, fr/rr sway bars, fr/rr strut tower braces and tie bars.
I usually see these 'stunts' on experianced roadracers that have the ability to control and balance their cars. To give you an insight on how dreaded the bust stop corner:

Newbie with usual lowering spring upgrade: will take it at 70-80kph @ 2nd gear depending how fast their ***** rush up to their necks. they'll surely experiance excessive bodyrolls and pray that they wont understeer.

Highly skilled racers with the aforementioned upgrade: will take it at 100-115kph @ 3rd gear with matching 3 wheel turns on entry and upon exit.

OT: urbanknight, nice to see lancers joining autoX I used to have an asti/mirage that I used for circuit racing. the bilstein/lowering springs/fr strut tower combo is quite enough
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Old Jul 26, 2004 | 05:21 PM
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try to keep all 4 wheels on the ground!!!! The transaxle and diffs really get scrambled when you do this. Of course, it depends on how you drive as to whether or not you get the wheels off the ground. Have fun with the car, but the repairs to a transaxle can be expensive!!!
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 08:43 PM
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I heard the Evo can shift all it's power to one wheel? is that true?
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 11:03 PM
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If you're talking about traction control or differentials, that might be possible depending on how the system works, but I believe the Evo has systems to try to keep as many wheels spinning as possible.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dacrazydude
I heard the Evo can shift all it's power to one wheel? is that true?
No, ours can't. With ACD and S-AYC I believe it is possible though. In other words, it should be possible on the Euro/Jap models.
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