LOL, Al was tuning evos back in 93?!! No wonder he knows what he is doing by now.

 

Oh, he did...especially when he saw I was using narrowband. On the other hand, Al does support the use of an SAFC when tuning for race gas, since flashes don't allow for selectable maps. There's really no other way to do it if you're flashed for pump gas...

 

DAMM - that man can drive - way to go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am excited to see what you can do with the two step !

 

Back a LONG time ago the custom tune was $595

Since that time the tuning has gotten a lot better and the price has gotten a lot lower

 

Back in fall of '03 the custom tuned price was $595

For those nogstalgia buffs - back then RMR, Works and myself were the only guys offering reflashes for evos. I was the only one offering a custom tune option - at the time it was a novel concept.

originally I was so scared of frying ecus after being scraed stiff by the folks who trained me that i insisted on doing all flashes inside a hotel room with a dedicated power supply

I would drive the car down the road - aquire the data and then retreat to the hotel room to make any changes

At the time - I had spent about 100 smog filled hours on the Pruven dyno doing beta testing and tuning the masses of evos comming by for tunes and my lungs were so conjested I could bearly inhale. That weekend I made the mistake to roll over a hot o2 sesnor I had just taken off a car and burned a nice hole in my spare tire.

I am really proud to look back to those days and see all the progress that i have made in how I tune and the progression of my understanding of the stock ecu. I wish I could go back to that weekend and re-tune everyone with my new data logging system and the experience of having tuned another several hunderd custom tunes!

The best part abot my business is today I am just as excited and interested in this as I was over 2 years ago. Every day I am learning new things and continuing to improve the product.

Its a great thing that the current flash at $199.99 can make the kind of results that were made here - even at the hands of an amazing driver it says a lot about the performance and value of the product.

 

wartallon is not a guy you talk into or out of anything - the guys knows exactly what he is doing and how he is doing it

I respect what he has done a lot

I could not dulpicate his accomplishment myself - impossible for me

 

The price was $595, but I sent him $100 advance with paypal and after the "tune" I gave him 5 $100 bills and he did not have $5 change so he kept the $500 + $100 deposit... Total $600, the tune did not do much good at all. Al blamed it on "bad gasoline". This was in November 22, 2003. Check out https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=50961

Yes, Al has been around for a good while now. he was in the WRX forums before he started messing around with EVOs. You guys don't seem to know much about the "good lod days". There used to be huge flame wars and e-battles between Al's fanboys and Vishnu's fanboys.... It got so bad that Al was banned from the evolutionM.... I used to be one of his original supporters. I think Al is a good guy and all and some people swear by his reflashes. He definitely has a very fast car. However, after a long and expensive education, I have found that for me, Al's custom road tune was an expensive disappointment. OTOH, I had to eat my words because the Vishnu XEDE turned out to be the best solution for my cars.

Still, the driver is probably the most important part of the equation as far as good 1/4 mile ETs and TSs goes. For what it's worth, my MR with only XEDE (nothing more) makes 249.3 whp on a DD dyno (my Miata makes 93 whp on that dyno and 103 whp on a dynojet, you do the math ). Oh yeah, I have no idea what it will do in a 1/4 mile... I have not been to the dragstrip with this car yet... Probably never will

 

Not to rehash old history - and you are still without a doubt one of the coolest customers I have worked with to date - but - you will recall the knock link unit I used to use on each and every car I was tuning

In your case - which I recall in vivid detail - with the stock tune and with a detuned reflash the knock link would light up like a xmass tree and the engine was knocking

After we poured in some octane boster and additional gas the knock immediately went away

This is why and how I determined that the quick trip gas was not that ideal - over the course of the past two years i have learned that quick trip gas sucks but COSTCO gas is the 100% worst for any performance car - anyway i digress

After the tune - you immediately started installing a MBC in the parking lot - it kind of defeats the purpose of a custom tune when you start changing the parts before you even drive the car ?

At the time I had no boost controlling feature for the flash

Anyway - sorry you still think of these things and bring them up in this thread and the thoughts you also posted about Boost Solutions and you long trail of wasted money - all of which I have nothing to do with. I know Bost Solutions is a criminal and you are bitter - which is kind of regratable as they are totally off topic to the issue at hand

 

Hey Al, no problem bro. As you know yourself things are what they are . I'm not bitter about that past history but neither will I forget it .... It's just that ppl will write the darnedest things... Imagine somebody saying that an off the shelf reflash will take an EVO to the low 12s..... Naturally one has to say something about such notions. Sure you are a good tuner and no doubt your products are good, but a mail order flash being good to make a low 12's car is a bit much to believe. You and I know full well that some cars are way faster than others and some drivers are likewise better than others. It would be sad if some poor guy out there really believed that his 14 second EVO (yes, there are plenty of those around) would turn 12s with a mail order flash... That's all, no problems, no disrespect, just an effort to educate

 

Well actually the BR350 car number 001 made a 12.4 in the 1/4 mile I belive with the same style of reflash

and there have been others who have gotten great results with the 2005 cars which have a better turbo back housing

Also - the reflash product has improved over time with constant development

and - in this case the drive is one of the very best

 

Silver EVO8,


You wrote:

However, after a long and expensive education, I have found that for me, Al's custom road tune was an expensive disappointment

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I have a few things to say, first of all , thanks for your honesty, we like people like you that actually tells the true and dont tell lies. Apparently you were one of the first customer of Al. I can tell you this, since I heard from Al, I can tell you that his prices are way more competitive, his tunning much more reliable and his customer service much better and improved.

The thing is that he was greener back in 03, he probably was not as knowledgeable as he is today but lets admit that this guys now offers a great tunning service, a much variety of customer optional upgrades, a much better price and above all he makes much more power now days.

This guy came out with great upgrades, amongs them the SMC, the launch control, the mail flash and stuff that people like. He also improved his resources and now he can tune with a much more accurate equipment than back in 03.

I can almost guaranty you that a reflash today would make your car much faster than back in 03. You would not be dissaspointed today with his flashes.

my .2c

 

Thanks for your thoughtful response. I was very careful with how I wrote my post to make sure it was not insulting, disrespectful or untrue. I hate to start a bunch of crap on line. I just like to respond to the over enthusiastic endorsements of any product. As I said earlier, my experience was just that. It was my experience and not a condemnation. It's funny how these threads sometimes take different directions though... Anyway, you asked and that's why I explained things with perhaps more detail than anybody expected

Peace out.

 

This is why I really respect Warrtalon , he not trying to bs , lie , cheat any of his times/mph . He is a stand up guy ! Good looking times , your ONLY .01 of a sec a way !

 

There is nothing "over enthusiastic" about Warttalon's reports from the track

It is what it is - end of story. The guy is a great driver and the tuning product he is using is very effective.

It is most regratable that you continue to spoil my high on this happy result with these remarks

Your car was much slower - back in '03. Since they changed the cars around a bit including better turbos and the state of aftermarket support and my own tuning has improved significantly the results have also improved in that span of time.

Just beause you did not experience similar results back in 03 does not mean that the results obtained today are inaccurate or invalid

member from fromWRXtoEVO above posted the situation as well as it could be posted. I dont think there is anything else to add.

I really wish you would just stop and move on - let me enjoy the thought of Warttalon going 12.00000 - without cams - that is some cool stuff and puts me in a good mood.

 

God damn dude, congrats.