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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:02 PM
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Case Study # 120- 2005 MR - 350 TQ

This 2005 Evo 8 had the following mods

Hellix 3# exhuast
UR high flow cat
Stock air box
Mach V exhuast header
Works 3" o2 housing
Fuel pump
Forge MBC
Hellix fmic kit - stock fmic

100 Octane

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Stock BOV was leaking and creating the slight oscilation in boost

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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:15 PM
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gotta love the 05 mr.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 08:17 PM
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Damn these new 05s! That is what 03's are making with cams!
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sleet
Damn these new 05s! That is what 03's are making with cams!
Don't worry; that header costs as much as a set of cams.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Don't worry; that header costs as much as a set of cams.
yeah so whats your point? i thought the truth squad was above posting replies like that...
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by joeymia
yeah so whats your point? i thought the truth squad was above posting replies like that...
Again, I don't know what you're getting at. This is the second time you've questioned me from a Truth Squad point of view for no reason. I'm letting Sleet know that there's no reason to be so surprised that this car dyno's like a cammed car when it has a header that costs as much as a set of cams. That makes a lot of power, too, and if the money was spent on cams instead of the header, then the dyno readings would be similar, and this is without even mentioning the 100oct which gives me around 30whp when I use it.

If I put on every mod possible right now other than cams (TB, sheet metal intake mani, RNR header, Forge WGA, Nisei FMIC, SS O2, UICP/LICP, MAFTPro, injectors, etc), then went and dynod 330-340whp, I wouldn't want people to say "Wow, you dyno'd as much as a cammed car!!!" Well, yeah, I should since I have so many other mods that make good power but that aren't usually found on your everyday cammed car. That's the point - not sure why you were chastising me. I hope it doesn't continue for no reason.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Again, I don't know what you're getting at. This is the second time you've questioned me from a Truth Squad point of view for no reason. I'm letting Sleet know that there's no reason to be so surprised that this car dyno's like a cammed car when it has a header that costs as much as a set of cams. That makes a lot of power, too, and if the money was spent on cams instead of the header, then the dyno readings would be similar, and this is without even mentioning the 100oct which gives me around 30whp when I use it.

If I put on every mod possible right now other than cams (TB, sheet metal intake mani, RNR header, Forge WGA, Nisei FMIC, SS O2, UICP/LICP, MAFTPro, injectors, etc), then went and dynod 330-340whp, I wouldn't want people to say "Wow, you dyno'd as much as a cammed car!!!" Well, yeah, I should since I have so many other mods that make good power but that aren't usually found on your everyday cammed car. That's the point - not sure why you were chastising me. I hope it doesn't continue for no reason.
I'm glad you posted that because i had no idea that header made significant power, or is able to yield cam-like power.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NoTec
I'm glad you posted that because i had no idea that header made significant power, or is able to yield cam-like power.
Not all of them are, but this particular one costs $599. It may not provide 30whp/30wtq, but if you spend $600 on it, you should be expecting it to make as much as cams, which are also $600, especially if you don't already have them.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by NoTec
I'm glad you posted that because i had no idea that header made significant power, or is able to yield cam-like power.
that is exactly what i was getting at.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:20 PM
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While a set of headers might produce maybe 5whp a set of CAMS could give you a good 30whp combined with a 3 TB", MBC and a tunning.


I decided not to put headers on my car, I read a lot about them so the headers that I bought a few months ago I never installed them.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Not all of them are, but this particular one costs $599. It may not provide 30whp/30wtq, but if you spend $600 on it, you should be expecting it to make as much as cams, which are also $600, especially if you don't already have them.
So because it costs $600 dollars therfore it should produce the same power as a cams? A set of headers for a evo will never replicate what a good set of cams can do. I am also willing to bet that the header was not even responsible for such nice gains on that MR. Maybe it was the 100 octane race gas tune? Al how much boost, timing, and AFR was this tuned for?
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by joeymia
that is exactly what i was getting at.
???

You responded to the guy who thanked me. How was your questioning me making the exact same point as the guy who thanked me?
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
???

You responded to the guy who thanked me. How was your questioning me making the exact same point as the guy who thanked me?
because I was assuming he was being sacrastic. who in their right mind would think headers on a stock mr with no cams would yield 30whp/30wtrq
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by joeymia
So because it costs $600 dollars therfore it should produce the same power as a cams? A set of headers for a evo will never replicate what a good set of cams can do. I am also willing to bet that the cams were not even responsible for such nice gains on that MR. Maybe it was the 100 octane race gas tune? Al how much boost, timing, and AFR was this tuned for?
As I said, maybe not a full 30whp, but a $600 header should provide some pretty good measurable gains, and the point still holds that there's not much reason to be astounded by the power made when compared to cammed Evos when the same money could have been spent to just have cams instead of the header.

I'm pretty sure the 100oct helped a lot, too. I already mentioned that I make gobs of extra power on 100oct.
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Old Dec 5, 2005 | 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by joeymia
because I was assuming he was being sacrastic. who in their right mind would think headers on a stock mr with no cams would yield 30whp/30wtrq
Didn't look sarcastic to me. People claim to get 15whp all the time on $250 headers. The RNR header claimed 44whp. I would expect somewhere in the middle on a $600 header. I never said a header would yield 30whp/30wtq, but I also never said this car was making as much power as a cammed Evo on race gas. Again, the point was to tell Sleet not to be too astounded by the power compared to a cammed Evo considering the relative money spent.
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