man joeymia what do you have against truth squad and Warrtalon or as you call it truf squad

 

I wasnt being sarcastic at all. I'm in my right mind. Some parts no matter what they are can yield negligable power gains while that exact same part developed by an engineer who knows what the hell he is doing can be responsible for a substancial increase in power. Like I said originally, I knew nothing of this header and any part that gains good power is a welcome part to me. I dont make sarcastic remarks without using smileys anyways. You're an excellent judge of character!

 

Well mainly because our man Warrtalon member of the Truth Squad has been ranting on and on about "worthless mods" since i can remember. He has been known to make fun of people for spending outrageous amounts of money for parts that can be found cheaper or produce small gains for the price. This post is different... This car has over $2500 easily invested into it. The dyno results are not that impressive since it was tuned on racegas. Also spent 600 dollars on a set of headers over cams etc... I don't care what someone buys for their cars but there has been countless posts about Warrtalon belittling people for doing what this MR has done. The hypocrisy is just to much for me tonight.

 

sorry warrtalon has mislead you. cams will perform much better than headers on evos.

 

I have not misinformed anyone. You just have a grudge against me and are not reading everything closely. Again, RNR is claiming gains 50% higher than what we normally see from a set of cams. Is this the RNR header? No, but it's also not the Megan header. There are significant gains to be had with a well-built header - that is a fact.

Also, what is this hypocrisy you speak of? At what point have I been hypocritical? Critical? Yes. Hypocritical? No...I don't do anything that I tell others not to do.

 

JUST FYI INFO guys - I don't post these to endorse the customer's particular choice of mods - I am just trying to give a variety of mods and show how they work for informational purposes

Personally a header would be the last choice on my own personal list

To each his / her own !


i just tune the car !

 

Warrtalon, I think you must have had some bad donuts for dinner or something. I think your posts in this thread are a bit misleading. It's well known that a header can't even come close to cams in terms of either peak power gains or area under the curve. Even the RNR seems to kill low end torque at the expense of top end power, as you'd expect from the design.

No one should infer that a part will make power/tq gains proportional to its cost, which is what you are implying is the case here. If header A cost X and header B cost Y, and header C cost between X and Y, then therefore header C should make power between header A and B? C'mon, even you know better than to imply that.

While I see that you are only posting that it would reasonable to expect such a relationship, and I admit that you have posted nothing false, it sure is misleading! And not to belittle the EvoM masses, but at least one person is going to leave this thread with the thought "Warrtalon says a $600 header will make gains comparable to $600 cams and had a dyno plot to prove it, and he's Warrtalon and Truth Squad, so it must be true." Remember, Warrtalon = EvoM influence/power, so post responsibly

 

Great job on the tune Al, how did the construction of those headers look?

 

jeez Al,
way to start a war
lols

 

Although the question of this car making more or less power with cams vs. header is really interesting, it is a moot point. No one here knows the owner's reason for choosing his mods. Perhaps he doesn't want to do anything internal - just bolt ons. That is pretty common. So calling someone a hypocrite for not bashing him is absurd.

By the way, Al, nice job on the tune! That torque band is pretty fat!

EVOlutionary

 

Warrtalon, just an FYI we don't claim 44whp from our header. I would say most customerS should see 20-30hp after tuning. The car that was dynoed was a surprise to us as well.

 

I think David Buschur is planning to test the RNR header and some other headers soon


I have not seen any significant variations of cars with and without headers on stock turbos - this is looking at dozens and dozens of cars