Deciding on one or the other. Planning to go with a dynoflash more than likely. I heard the stock ecu has multiple maps that it switches betweens. Do flashes take advantage of this (ie. to switch octane maps)? Since I have a IX, I was told the SAFC wasn't worth tuning with due to the MIVEC, but I have yet to hear from someone who has tried. Thoughts?

 

The IX Dyno Flash optimizes the MIVEC table to match your mods - controlls boost - adjusts all 6 ignition maps and also controls both fuel maps

In addition the two step rev limiter is raised and the main rev limiter

Comparing a proper reflash to a safc is like comapring a machine gun to a sling shot - IMHO

 

Modwise, what would a IX with Dynoflash, TBE, and MBC compare to an VIII (about what combo of mods on an 8 would match this level of 9)?

 

The flash is the way to go. It raises the rev limiter you get 2-step launch control, it optimizes the mivec and will keep your cabin looking close to stock. I just got my flash last weekend and wow my car is a beast from 4k to 7800.

 

Silex, I can tell you as an SAFC user and as a Dynoflashed customer, the flash is far superior on the _VIII_ already, but on the IX it's even MORE superior due to the intricacies of the IX's ECU. In order to get close to the same hp/tq with an SAFC as with a flash, you have to upgrade the injectors or be using higher octane/alky. Even then, you're only fooling the ECU into giving better AFRs and better timing. After all that, you still don't get the special features of a flash (raised rev limiter, launch control, fuel cut removed, idle control, etc).

C6, come on man, don't be thread jacking. To answer your question simply, an VIII would require those same mods plus cams, or would require race gas with raised boost. It required tbe/mbc/flash/bov/pump and 24psi on race gas to do 12.0s, but a IX with tbe/mbc/flash hit 12.0s on 93oct.

 

Sorry for being a thread terrorist - Ive seem to have misplaced my ritalin,
bottom line -
SAFC + IX = waste of $
Dynoflash + IX = make us VIII owners want to cry

 

Haha yeah it's okay...ritalin is the devil's medicine. Stay far away from it! I have one other concern. What's the point of having a wideband o2 unit then? I bought the PLX R-500 in order to get ready to tune aspects of the car myself. Would it still come in handy if I stay with the stock ecu and not use an safc? Where else would knowing your AFR to this level of degree come in handy? Now I'm going off topic, but it's related to the IX being flashed; but how come does a drop-in filter need to "tuned" on a flash. What makes it any different than the current mitsu filter. Man this stuff is addicting!!

Planning to do an alky/meth injection setup also before the flash. Is this necessary to need a new flash for? Reason being is that I want to make use of the scramble boost on my ebc and I'm sure setting up the button to inject and boost up a couple psi higher would yield some crazy results .

I would think that it would still be beneficial to have an SAFC for fine tuning or to switch fuel maps on top of the flash much like how 8 owners do it. Am I wrong thinking this?

 

Man, you're scaring me now. I think you need to step away from the Ritalin for sure and get a grip on things. Listen, there is no patch harness for the IX anyway, so you don't want to splice into your ECU wires. The S-AFC is a very crude device that sorta worked on the 8, but it has no way to properly tune on a IX. The S-AFC is not a real tuning device - it is just a device that fools the ECU. If you really want to do all your own tuning, then you need to get a REAL piggyback (or standalone) that can properly make use of your PLX R-500. Now, why did you go ahead and buy this anyway? It's a $500 item that costs more than an SAFC+harness+logger combined. IT's a great device, but good gracious, you don't even have mods yet.
Having detailed monitoring to that level would still be helpful for racing purposes, which is what I will be using it for - logging 25m track sessions on the road course - but you have no need for it when just driving around daily.

And the EBC scramble with alky craziness? Come on, now, this is a IX you have - please don't go crazy and mess it up. People haven't even used alky on IXs yet, so you should probably slow down and do things a little smarter here. It's unfortunate if you already have an EBC, but if you really have to have one, then just add a TBE and a mail-in Dynoflash. That will put you around 330whp on a Dynojet, which is insane. Then, after some more parts and more testing has been done with the IX, you can think about adding alky, cams, and/or whatever else is available, then get a full custom Dynoflash.

 

That's the biggest thing right there, why even think about it if the only option is to splice into the ecu.


Off the original topic, but warrtalon, why do you think the alky on the IX is going to be so different compared to the VIII?

 

Haha yeah I'm all into the craziness, lol. I'm just thinking ahead I guess. To be honest, I bought the PLX R-500 to monitor my boost, egt, afr, and knock primarily and for datalogging. If I were to buy all these units seperately, it would at least come to the same price and still wouldn't do datalogging or wideband probably. I have a GM 3 bar MAP sensor already. My tbe has a wideband o2 bung welded into the downpipe. I'm slowly but surely doing these mods. I guess I'm getting ahead of myself since there's no patch harness yet, but we'll have to see if it's tough to fab my own. Has it been verified that the 8's harness won't work. I would guess the pin count would be the same on both ecus? The 8 just has one more plug.

 

Are there any other alternative for a IX than SAFC and Reflash, I don't like to reflash, plus nobody in my country can do it properly. ps-is there a mail-in reflash

 

Al does mail in's

http://www.dynoflash.com

 

Alcohol + Dynoflash + the basic TBE and MBC on an Evo 9 will be downright sick and I'm willing to bet capable of consistant 11.9 - 11.8's.

I don't know how usefull the wide band would be except for monitoring since the DF tune with the IX is so impressive itself

 

Aloha, I don't know that alky will be any different, but I wouldn't want to be the first person to try it.

Richie, yes, Al has been doing mail-ins on the IX for about a month now, and he's been doing mail-in flashes for a couple of years on the VIIIs. If you want to get help with other tuning devices, you should go to the tuning section where every tuning device has its own individual forum.

Silex, I don't know why the pinouts would be the same - the ECUs are completely different, and of course the VIII patch harness won't work when it has 4 plugs. You already mentioned there was a one-plug difference, so you already know it doesn't work.

 

as far as i know, the AFC tunes fuel fine, but the flash does a ton more like warr said, the big benefit is timing control and fuel cut eliminator.