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Originally Posted by race17k
also I didnt think dynoflash was doing flashes on cars without a high flow fuel pump i dont see that on your mods?
Originally Posted by hondafan
i'd definitely do a boost leak test just to be sure. just because the boost holds steady doesn't mean there is no leak. i ran 22 psi and did a boost leak test and found 3 of them. fixing this makes a huge difference, even with a flash, you probrably wouldn't notice a power increase if there's a leak. some places besides clamps that are leak prone are the hard part of the LICP that bolts to the turbo(gasket could be comprimised), throttle body gasket, and in my case, there was a torn vacuum line on the underside of the manifold. how'd it get torn? no idea, never did any modding in that area, yet it was torn, probrably from factory because my car ran 10x's better than ever after fixing it. anyway, i'd check for a leak first.
Originally Posted by hondafan
i'm telling you man, i didn't have a dyno to see the numbers, but fixing those leaks in my car made a night and day difference!
1. I have not seen verification of the rev limiter being stock. You said you used WinPep or whatever...that means you can zip and upload the files for us all to see. Get to it.
2. You don't have an MBC - of course the boost levels are stock. What else would they be?
3. You can't rely on the butt dyno - that's a terrible mistake.
Lastly, you still have no idea how much power your car was making stock. That was the first and most critical mistake. YOu just automatically assume that your car is underpowered with NO FRAME OF REFERENCE. You have to determine the actual problem FIRST, then you try to resolve it.
The whole thing about contacting Al 5 times or whatever does not help to illustrate why it was ok to make this thread. All it does is help to illustrate why al is never able to answer anyone, because people like yourself inundate him with tons of correspondence over multiple media (VM, email, IM, PM), which makes it utterly impossible to respond to those who really need immediate help. It becomes impossible to sift through them all, especially when there's 5 from each person.
Now, I want your Evo to be as fast as it can be, so I'll help figure this out, but you started off on the wrong foot due to having a few misconceptions about things...especially how you're actually questioning whether boost leaks can cause significant power losses (that blows my mind, especially when I just spent time explaining WHY it does). I notice you have Forge MBC listed in your sig? I thought you didn't have any boost control? Is that just listed by mistake or what? If you have one, you should install it and set the boost to 22-23psi, THEN see what the dyno says (ensure 0 leaks AFTER the install).
2. You don't have an MBC - of course the boost levels are stock. What else would they be?
3. You can't rely on the butt dyno - that's a terrible mistake.
Lastly, you still have no idea how much power your car was making stock. That was the first and most critical mistake. YOu just automatically assume that your car is underpowered with NO FRAME OF REFERENCE. You have to determine the actual problem FIRST, then you try to resolve it.
The whole thing about contacting Al 5 times or whatever does not help to illustrate why it was ok to make this thread. All it does is help to illustrate why al is never able to answer anyone, because people like yourself inundate him with tons of correspondence over multiple media (VM, email, IM, PM), which makes it utterly impossible to respond to those who really need immediate help. It becomes impossible to sift through them all, especially when there's 5 from each person.
Now, I want your Evo to be as fast as it can be, so I'll help figure this out, but you started off on the wrong foot due to having a few misconceptions about things...especially how you're actually questioning whether boost leaks can cause significant power losses (that blows my mind, especially when I just spent time explaining WHY it does). I notice you have Forge MBC listed in your sig? I thought you didn't have any boost control? Is that just listed by mistake or what? If you have one, you should install it and set the boost to 22-23psi, THEN see what the dyno says (ensure 0 leaks AFTER the install).
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Come on Warr, give the guy a break. If Al doesn't reply to people, and this is obviously a problem with all the current post, what do you expect someone to do. People wouldn't contact Al repeatedly if he replied to them in what they considered a timely matter. Clearly, there is a problem with his car. Hopefully, you or others can help him fix it.
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Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
Come on Warr, give the guy a break. If Al doesn't reply to people, and this is obviously a problem with all the current post, what do you expect someone to do. People wouldn't contact Al repeatedly if he replied to them in what they considered a timely matter. Clearly, there is a problem with his car. Hopefully, you or others can help him fix it.
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
1. I have not seen verification of the rev limiter being stock. You said you used WinPep or whatever...that means you can zip and upload the files for us all to see. Get to it.
2. You don't have an MBC - of course the boost levels are stock. What else would they be?
3. You can't rely on the butt dyno - that's a terrible mistake.
Lastly, you still have no idea how much power your car was making stock. That was the first and most critical mistake. YOu just automatically assume that your car is underpowered with NO FRAME OF REFERENCE. You have to determine the actual problem FIRST, then you try to resolve it.
The whole thing about contacting Al 5 times or whatever does not help to illustrate why it was ok to make this thread. All it does is help to illustrate why al is never able to answer anyone, because people like yourself inundate him with tons of correspondence over multiple media (VM, email, IM, PM), which makes it utterly impossible to respond to those who really need immediate help. It becomes impossible to sift through them all, especially when there's 5 from each person.
Now, I want your Evo to be as fast as it can be, so I'll help figure this out, but you started off on the wrong foot due to having a few misconceptions about things...especially how you're actually questioning whether boost leaks can cause significant power losses (that blows my mind, especially when I just spent time explaining WHY it does). I notice you have Forge MBC listed in your sig? I thought you didn't have any boost control? Is that just listed by mistake or what? If you have one, you should install it and set the boost to 22-23psi, THEN see what the dyno says (ensure 0 leaks AFTER the install).
2. You don't have an MBC - of course the boost levels are stock. What else would they be?
3. You can't rely on the butt dyno - that's a terrible mistake.
Lastly, you still have no idea how much power your car was making stock. That was the first and most critical mistake. YOu just automatically assume that your car is underpowered with NO FRAME OF REFERENCE. You have to determine the actual problem FIRST, then you try to resolve it.
The whole thing about contacting Al 5 times or whatever does not help to illustrate why it was ok to make this thread. All it does is help to illustrate why al is never able to answer anyone, because people like yourself inundate him with tons of correspondence over multiple media (VM, email, IM, PM), which makes it utterly impossible to respond to those who really need immediate help. It becomes impossible to sift through them all, especially when there's 5 from each person.
Now, I want your Evo to be as fast as it can be, so I'll help figure this out, but you started off on the wrong foot due to having a few misconceptions about things...especially how you're actually questioning whether boost leaks can cause significant power losses (that blows my mind, especially when I just spent time explaining WHY it does). I notice you have Forge MBC listed in your sig? I thought you didn't have any boost control? Is that just listed by mistake or what? If you have one, you should install it and set the boost to 22-23psi, THEN see what the dyno says (ensure 0 leaks AFTER the install).
1. I only have a print out of the dyno results, I do not have a CD copy. I had them try to rev over 7600, to 8k, and it was not happening. The car popped like crazy when it hit that 7600 redline!
2. Wouldn't the ECU allow boost to peak to whatever settings were inputted? IE, if the flash/settings were changed to allow 23psi? I know the MBC would help control the boost levels better, but the ECU should allow a bigger spike if changed. If this isn't true, then why the h*ll do we request certain psi when we send the ECU in? Sure, I could put the MBC in, and change boost to whatever I want, I understand that. I do not claim to be a perfessional in flashing or ECU settings, that is what I pay professionals for!!!
3. I understand the butt dyno can lie, but if I felt a difference with just the TBE, what makes you think I wouldn't feel 25-40whp???
Also, you speak about me thinking my car is underpowered, and what frame of reference I have??? READ YOUR OWN SIG!!! I went in the dyno, thinking I would break 300whp on a Dynojet, only because I have no MBC installed. I didn't think I would make the 330whp you claim! You are insanely crazy if you think my car is going to make up the difference with only a MBC, and boost increased 2psi!
You didn't explain anything about how boost leaks cause problems. You only pointed fingers, and said it could be the cause. HondaFan was the one that actually explained what areas he found leaks in. Wow, someone can actually give advice without trying to make another user look like an idiot, what a concept!
I also have the 02 housing listed in my sig, it just isn't installed. I just haven't updated my sig in awhile. It seems to me that you are reaching now. You act like I am saying a vendor is bad, or that he provides bad serivces...I just wanted to varify the ECU was actaually flashed! I am trying to respond to your attacks in the most respectful manner I can, but your replies are almost always putdowns or attacks 1st, and helpful advice 2nd. You must be some damn good driver, if your sponsors put up w/ you treating people like sh*t! You know what? If you want to help, I would appreciate it! If your going to continue to talk down to me, or make useless attempts to make me look like an idiot, then just search around, and flame other users.
Originally Posted by <4G63>Inside
Going to be doing the test very soon regardless! Even if it is the ECU, and I still find some leaks, it definetly will help.
Also - if you are not satisfied with the tune you can get a full refund
Al
Originally Posted by <4G63>Inside
1st of all, I do not need anyone to tell me it's "OK" to start a thread!!! If I attempted to contact a vendor numerous times, using different methods, and have not heard back from him, I WILL start a thread if that is what it takes to hear back!!! I do not need you to tell me "ok, you did what you can, go ahead and start a thread". I have attempted to contact him by phone and PM before this happened also, and still have not heard back. Gee, I wonder why I wanted to try this method???
1. I only have a print out of the dyno results, I do not have a CD copy. I had them try to rev over 7600, to 8k, and it was not happening. The car popped like crazy when it hit that 7600 redline!
2. Wouldn't the ECU allow boost to peak to whatever settings were inputted? IE, if the flash/settings were changed to allow 23psi? I know the MBC would help control the boost levels better, but the ECU should allow a bigger spike if changed. If this isn't true, then why the h*ll do we request certain psi when we send the ECU in? Sure, I could put the MBC in, and change boost to whatever I want, I understand that. I do not claim to be a perfessional in flashing or ECU settings, that is what I pay professionals for!!!
3. I understand the butt dyno can lie, but if I felt a difference with just the TBE, what makes you think I wouldn't feel 25-40whp???
Also, you speak about me thinking my car is underpowered, and what frame of reference I have??? READ YOUR OWN SIG!!! I went in the dyno, thinking I would break 300whp on a Dynojet, only because I have no MBC installed. I didn't think I would make the 330whp you claim! You are insanely crazy if you think my car is going to make up the difference with only a MBC, and boost increased 2psi!
You didn't explain anything about how boost leaks cause problems. You only pointed fingers, and said it could be the cause. HondaFan was the one that actually explained what areas he found leaks in. Wow, someone can actually give advice without trying to make another user look like an idiot, what a concept!
I also have the 02 housing listed in my sig, it just isn't installed. I just haven't updated my sig in awhile. It seems to me that you are reaching now. You act like I am saying a vendor is bad, or that he provides bad serivces...I just wanted to varify the ECU was actaually flashed! I am trying to respond to your attacks in the most respectful manner I can, but your replies are almost always putdowns or attacks 1st, and helpful advice 2nd. You must be some damn good driver, if your sponsors put up w/ you treating people like sh*t! You know what? If you want to help, I would appreciate it! If your going to continue to talk down to me, or make useless attempts to make me look like an idiot, then just search around, and flame other users.
1. I only have a print out of the dyno results, I do not have a CD copy. I had them try to rev over 7600, to 8k, and it was not happening. The car popped like crazy when it hit that 7600 redline!
2. Wouldn't the ECU allow boost to peak to whatever settings were inputted? IE, if the flash/settings were changed to allow 23psi? I know the MBC would help control the boost levels better, but the ECU should allow a bigger spike if changed. If this isn't true, then why the h*ll do we request certain psi when we send the ECU in? Sure, I could put the MBC in, and change boost to whatever I want, I understand that. I do not claim to be a perfessional in flashing or ECU settings, that is what I pay professionals for!!!
3. I understand the butt dyno can lie, but if I felt a difference with just the TBE, what makes you think I wouldn't feel 25-40whp???
Also, you speak about me thinking my car is underpowered, and what frame of reference I have??? READ YOUR OWN SIG!!! I went in the dyno, thinking I would break 300whp on a Dynojet, only because I have no MBC installed. I didn't think I would make the 330whp you claim! You are insanely crazy if you think my car is going to make up the difference with only a MBC, and boost increased 2psi!
You didn't explain anything about how boost leaks cause problems. You only pointed fingers, and said it could be the cause. HondaFan was the one that actually explained what areas he found leaks in. Wow, someone can actually give advice without trying to make another user look like an idiot, what a concept!
I also have the 02 housing listed in my sig, it just isn't installed. I just haven't updated my sig in awhile. It seems to me that you are reaching now. You act like I am saying a vendor is bad, or that he provides bad serivces...I just wanted to varify the ECU was actaually flashed! I am trying to respond to your attacks in the most respectful manner I can, but your replies are almost always putdowns or attacks 1st, and helpful advice 2nd. You must be some damn good driver, if your sponsors put up w/ you treating people like sh*t! You know what? If you want to help, I would appreciate it! If your going to continue to talk down to me, or make useless attempts to make me look like an idiot, then just search around, and flame other users.
PS - Warrtalon helps me with customer service on a volunteer basis - he works very hard and I appreciate all his help - please be nice to him
I have not been reachable the last few days was I was flying and driving for 22 hours straight from AK to VA
The problem with your car is easily resolved
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
If you want to come down to VIP tomorrow I will be pleased to look at your car / tune and see what can be going on at no charge
Also - if you are not satisfied with the tune you can get a full refund
Al
Also - if you are not satisfied with the tune you can get a full refund
Al
Last edited by <4G63>Inside; Aug 19, 2006 at 08:20 PM. Reason: removed dog on chain reference
Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
Come on Warr, give the guy a break. If Al doesn't reply to people, and this is obviously a problem with all the current post, what do you expect someone to do. People wouldn't contact Al repeatedly if he replied to them in what they considered a timely matter. Clearly, there is a problem with his car. Hopefully, you or others can help him fix it.
BTW - I have no problem with this guy making a post - I am here to service my customers and I want the opportunity to correct his problem which is most likely just a car needing a boost adjustment which is easy enough to do
AL
Turns out he had requested a Wartalon kit flash which has a Forge UNOS MBC but was not running the MBC yet
A few adjustments and he was running like a champ
Thanks for driving down so I could fix it
Al
A few adjustments and he was running like a champ
Thanks for driving down so I could fix it
Al
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Turns out he had requested a Wartalon kit flash which has a Forge UNOS MBC but was not running the MBC yet
A few adjustments and he was running like a champ
Thanks for driving down so I could fix it
Al
A few adjustments and he was running like a champ
Thanks for driving down so I could fix it
Al
Originally Posted by <4G63>Inside
Thanks alot for everything! It was WELL worth the trip up to fix the issue! My car is very happy now! I had an absolute blast on the way home!
Thanks and glad to hear that tha a/f was spot on from the dyno
Please let me know if you make it back to the dyno again
Al