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Originally posted by 4-BNGR
I can do it quickly
1) AEM EMS ($1,600 - $2,000)
2) 3" Turbo Back Exhaust ($800 - $900)
3) Turbo Upgrade Kit ($3,000 - $5,000) * GT35R
I can do it quickly
1) AEM EMS ($1,600 - $2,000)
2) 3" Turbo Back Exhaust ($800 - $900)
3) Turbo Upgrade Kit ($3,000 - $5,000) * GT35R
The criteria was everyday 500hp. #1&2 give 300whp on a "rough" tune. 320 should not be a problem with a proper tune. (What the conversion on the Evo from wheel to crank? 320whp is about 380- 390 crank hp 
) So 120- 130 crank hp to go. Turbo upgrade "kit" (fmic, injectors, fuel pump,..)utilizing the GT35R turbo surely can make up the 120-130 hp difference and yield a 500 hp car.
) So 120- 130 crank hp to go. Turbo upgrade "kit" (fmic, injectors, fuel pump,..)utilizing the GT35R turbo surely can make up the 120-130 hp difference and yield a 500 hp car.
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Daily driving 10 sec car? That's not really feasible.
You're going to use a really big TC for top end pull; for the street, it'll become a dog to power up slow. Besides, you're going to need a rollcage; if you have a spouse, she's not going to look too kindly at housing the kids with the rollcage.
Look at these cars w/ 10 sec possibilty - a viper w/ a blower, a tubed out foxbody 'stang w/ a blower, a toyo starlet, RX-3's, and etc . . . which are them are pratical on the streets?
You're going to use a really big TC for top end pull; for the street, it'll become a dog to power up slow. Besides, you're going to need a rollcage; if you have a spouse, she's not going to look too kindly at housing the kids with the rollcage.
Look at these cars w/ 10 sec possibilty - a viper w/ a blower, a tubed out foxbody 'stang w/ a blower, a toyo starlet, RX-3's, and etc . . . which are them are pratical on the streets?
Originally posted by bahamut
Daily driving 10 sec car? That's not really feasible.
You're going to use a really big TC for top end pull; for the street, it'll become a dog to power up slow. Besides, you're going to need a rollcage; if you have a spouse, she's not going to look too kindly at housing the kids with the rollcage.
Look at these cars w/ 10 sec possibilty - a viper w/ a blower, a tubed out foxbody 'stang w/ a blower, a toyo starlet, RX-3's, and etc . . . which are them are pratical on the streets?
Daily driving 10 sec car? That's not really feasible.
You're going to use a really big TC for top end pull; for the street, it'll become a dog to power up slow. Besides, you're going to need a rollcage; if you have a spouse, she's not going to look too kindly at housing the kids with the rollcage.
Look at these cars w/ 10 sec possibilty - a viper w/ a blower, a tubed out foxbody 'stang w/ a blower, a toyo starlet, RX-3's, and etc . . . which are them are pratical on the streets?
Hmm.. Its indeed a FOX body... the FOX platform was used on the Mustang III (Boxy body) Ford Fairmont, Thunderbird since 1979, etc.. But not picking nits.. I **HAVE** a 10 second supercharged malibu, and although I could drive the car everyday if I wanted to, its certainly not the most pleasant car to drive daily.
And I do have to agree about the turbo.. We're forgetting that the LAG you experience will affect getting peak torque at lower RPM's.. But if you look at all the HP/Torque plots and overlay them onto a stock graph, although the bigger turbo takes longer to spool, the power levels at the lower RPM's are very close, if not better than the power of the stock engine in that approximate range.. What does that mean? Well, you end up with a very quick car with a big turbo, but drivability isnt all that much different than the stock.. Its only that the jump in horsepower isn't evident until the bigger turbo is breathing fully.. I don't really see it being a huge downside..
Thats not to say I'm a proponent of a huge turbo upgrade, I personally think that most are neglecting the potential of the twin scroll design and the stock turbo, especially for a daily driver.
But I do think that 10 seconds and reasonable drivability are possible in this car.. But it will certainly be expensive.. Making horsepower and going fast isn't all that expensive.. a big enough turbo, fuel, and(if needed) bottle, can in theory do it.. But its the reliability of the parts when brought to that threshold that becomes the factor.. What good is running a 10 second quarter, if you only scatter parts everywhere on the next run? Thats where the need to build expensive blueprinted engines, and fabricate/upgrade chassis and drivetrain parts..
Just my POV..
And I do have to agree about the turbo.. We're forgetting that the LAG you experience will affect getting peak torque at lower RPM's.. But if you look at all the HP/Torque plots and overlay them onto a stock graph, although the bigger turbo takes longer to spool, the power levels at the lower RPM's are very close, if not better than the power of the stock engine in that approximate range.. What does that mean? Well, you end up with a very quick car with a big turbo, but drivability isnt all that much different than the stock.. Its only that the jump in horsepower isn't evident until the bigger turbo is breathing fully.. I don't really see it being a huge downside..
Thats not to say I'm a proponent of a huge turbo upgrade, I personally think that most are neglecting the potential of the twin scroll design and the stock turbo, especially for a daily driver.
But I do think that 10 seconds and reasonable drivability are possible in this car.. But it will certainly be expensive.. Making horsepower and going fast isn't all that expensive.. a big enough turbo, fuel, and(if needed) bottle, can in theory do it.. But its the reliability of the parts when brought to that threshold that becomes the factor.. What good is running a 10 second quarter, if you only scatter parts everywhere on the next run? Thats where the need to build expensive blueprinted engines, and fabricate/upgrade chassis and drivetrain parts..
Just my POV..
It's very possible that I am wrong on the mustang...I'm not much of an american muscle fan. I have always heard of people refering to it as a "box" body. If I really am wrong....I apologize.
I'll still stand by my "10sec daily driver" word. It's totally possible.
As far as the lag...didn't forget that....just that it doesn't have to be slow....the engine CAN have a lot of work done to it don't forget that! >=O)
I'll still stand by my "10sec daily driver" word. It's totally possible.
As far as the lag...didn't forget that....just that it doesn't have to be slow....the engine CAN have a lot of work done to it don't forget that! >=O)
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I think it is feasible but I doubt many will go through with the actually work. Buschur ran 11.65 on stock turbo no nitrous I'm sure with a good driver and a turbo upgrade alone ( HKS 3037 which shouldnt sacrifice reliability too much) you could shave off .65 with nitrous no problem.... buschur stage 4 is around 4000 I think turbo upgrade depending on where you get it would be what 3-5K thats a 7-9K price tag so I would think it is possible for around 10 grand.
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famous quotes of the day "speed costs money how fast you want to go" and "I'll make your car fast no matter what it costs you"
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Not disagreeing with you, just giving it my perspective.. I could drive my 10 second malibu every day.. but sometimes too much power is a bit scary (and dangerous) on our roads.. 300hp in the rain can get you sideways, just imagine 700 on dry pavement doing that every time you lay into it?
The most horsepower isn't always a winner on the street.. AWD does raise the bar a bit though..
The most horsepower isn't always a winner on the street.. AWD does raise the bar a bit though..
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Originally posted by MalibuJack
Not disagreeing with you, just giving it my perspective.. I could drive my 10 second malibu every day.. but sometimes too much power is a bit scary (and dangerous) on our roads.. 300hp in the rain can get you sideways, just imagine 700 on dry pavement doing that every time you lay into it?
The most horsepower isn't always a winner on the street.. AWD does raise the bar a bit though..
Not disagreeing with you, just giving it my perspective.. I could drive my 10 second malibu every day.. but sometimes too much power is a bit scary (and dangerous) on our roads.. 300hp in the rain can get you sideways, just imagine 700 on dry pavement doing that every time you lay into it?
The most horsepower isn't always a winner on the street.. AWD does raise the bar a bit though..
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You also hear stories about guys who spend tens of thousands on a car to be built up, and never break into the 10's, and some other guy out of nowhere steps up and runs a 10.90 or better and has less than 10k invested.. What does he have? Time and effort spent in carefully planning his approach and letting others make the mistakes... I'm curious to see which approach does it this year.
Originally posted by MalibuJack
Not disagreeing with you, just giving it my perspective.. I could drive my 10 second malibu every day.. but sometimes too much power is a bit scary (and dangerous) on our roads.. 300hp in the rain can get you sideways, just imagine 700 on dry pavement doing that every time you lay into it?
The most horsepower isn't always a winner on the street.. AWD does raise the bar a bit though..
Not disagreeing with you, just giving it my perspective.. I could drive my 10 second malibu every day.. but sometimes too much power is a bit scary (and dangerous) on our roads.. 300hp in the rain can get you sideways, just imagine 700 on dry pavement doing that every time you lay into it?
The most horsepower isn't always a winner on the street.. AWD does raise the bar a bit though..
Why sit back and take ideas from others when most of the fun is in developing your own ideas and seeing which ones work and which don't ? Its through the process of trial and error that I learn the most and a lot of the times the errors tell me more than not